Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wallaper
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Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wallaper
Hello everyone,
I have a quick query. I'm doing a HSL at the weekend. Ceilings (silk- don't ask!), anagypta paper to be hung and emulsioned, gloss on all of trim.
What is the correct order of work when painting over paper? Obviosuly its the norm to get the ceiling on first but in this case would it be better to paper first?
1. Prep
2. Paper Walls
3. Paint Ceiling
4. Paint Walls
5. Gloss
How would you pros normally tackle this
Cheers!
I have a quick query. I'm doing a HSL at the weekend. Ceilings (silk- don't ask!), anagypta paper to be hung and emulsioned, gloss on all of trim.
What is the correct order of work when painting over paper? Obviosuly its the norm to get the ceiling on first but in this case would it be better to paper first?
1. Prep
2. Paper Walls
3. Paint Ceiling
4. Paint Walls
5. Gloss
How would you pros normally tackle this
Cheers!
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
swap 2 and 3. ceiling then paper.
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
When papering to then emulsion it, I treat the paper as if it were a 'skim'
so I paper, paint ceiling fading the paint slightly on the the paper to fill
the joint (or even caulk the ceiling line) Just makes the ceiling/wall
transition continuous white so that if the cutting in isn't perfect it's less
likely to show.
I'd paint the woodwork to for the same reason, then walls.
I also find it's easier to wipe emulsion mistakes off WW rather
than paint off emulsion!
Not saying it's right, just the way it works for me.
so I paper, paint ceiling fading the paint slightly on the the paper to fill
the joint (or even caulk the ceiling line) Just makes the ceiling/wall
transition continuous white so that if the cutting in isn't perfect it's less
likely to show.
I'd paint the woodwork to for the same reason, then walls.
I also find it's easier to wipe emulsion mistakes off WW rather
than paint off emulsion!
Not saying it's right, just the way it works for me.
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
If you paint the woodwork before the walls, and you get any gloss on the wall, you will find the emulsion doesn't "stick" as well to the gloss. It's worth taking some time to learn how to cut in properly and easily.
There are lots of different ways to do something, but there is only one best way so, as wine~o said:
1. Prep
2. Paint Ceiling
3. Paper Walls
4. Paint Walls
5. Gloss
There are lots of different ways to do something, but there is only one best way so, as wine~o said:
1. Prep
2. Paint Ceiling
3. Paper Walls
4. Paint Walls
5. Gloss
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
Someone else will need to answer that as I don't user a sprayer.What order do you recommend if spraying trim?
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
At what point would you apply the undercoat on the WW?Tom d'Angler wrote:If you paint the woodwork before the walls, and you get any gloss on the wall, you will find the emulsion doesn't "stick" as well to the gloss. It's worth taking some time to learn how to cut in properly and easily.
There are lots of different ways to do something, but there is only one best way so, as wine~o said:
1. Prep
2. Paint Ceiling
3. Paper Walls
4. Paint Walls
5. Gloss
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
Good question.At what point would you apply the undercoat on the WW?
In this case, because it is a HSL, I would undercoat the woodwork in between 4. and 5.
If it is a smaller room that would take, say, three days I would:
1. Prep
2. Paper walls
3. First coat ceiling
4. First coat walls
5. Undercoat woodwork
6. Second coat ceiling
7. Second coat walls
8. Topcoat woodwork
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
If you have picture rails does that alter the order at all?
Also paint above picture rail ceiling colour or wall colour? (I've done it ceiling colour)
Also paint above picture rail ceiling colour or wall colour? (I've done it ceiling colour)
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
Although I generally work top to bottom, I would do the picture rail when I do the other woodwork.If you have picture rails does that alter the order at all?
Ceiling colour is "traditional" for the wall above the picture rail. I don't know why that is the case, maybe someone can enlighten us? Something to do with the Victorian way of doing things I suppose?Also paint above picture rail ceiling colour or wall colour? (I've done it ceiling colour)
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
Great thanks for the help.Tom d'Angler wrote:Good question.At what point would you apply the undercoat on the WW?
In this case, because it is a HSL, I would undercoat the woodwork in between 4. and 5.
If it is a smaller room that would take, say, three days I would:
1. Prep
2. Paper walls
3. First coat ceiling
4. First coat walls
5. Undercoat woodwork
6. Second coat ceiling
7. Second coat walls
8. Topcoat woodwork
One more question, this time on Anaglypta paper which I have never hung before. Whats the best way to get neat corners (internal & outside) with a thick paper like this? double cut the corners? How much would you over lap 25mm, 50mm? Hope this makes sense
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Yes, it makes perfect sense. The best way for you to get an idea about how to do this is to watch some videos on YouTube. There are lots of videos on there about hanging wallpaper. Some of them are really good and some of them are rubbish. You'll be able to tell which ones are the good ones by reading the comments below each video. Bad ones attract lots of negative comments from decorators and good ones attract good comments. Have a trawl through, find a couple of good ones, and you'll pick up some ideas.One more question, this time on Anaglypta paper which I have never hung before. Whats the best way to get neat corners (internal & outside) with a thick paper like this? double cut the corners? How much would you over lap 25mm, 50mm? Hope this makes sense
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Re: Correct Order of decorating When hanging & painting wall
Internal corners are best cut around 15mm wider than the corner. If the pattern is critical, you can cut a second length and 'recover' the piece of the pattern which is on the adjacent wall (the 15mm wrap) to make sure the pattern matches exactly. Very dependent on how plumb the corner is, though if you have the pattern correct at eye-level, any discrepancies of a bad wall are mitigated by this. Bad walls are bad walls.
External corners and/or radiuses are a wee bit different. With an embossed paper, you really can't overlap and must splice the joint. Again, pattern and straightness of the corner play a part on how this is best achieved. Also, it's best to not to splice on the most visually prominent side of the corner. Most externals, either by light source or viewing angle, will have a blind(er) side to them. Best to cut around the corner into this area, re-plumb and splice where the joint will be less visible. 25-30mm around an external is best, as the paper needs to grip and not lift.
There are a lot of variables in this process, and you have to adapt to the situation you have. Hope this makes sense.
BTW - Ready-mixed paste makes a lot of this much easier.
External corners and/or radiuses are a wee bit different. With an embossed paper, you really can't overlap and must splice the joint. Again, pattern and straightness of the corner play a part on how this is best achieved. Also, it's best to not to splice on the most visually prominent side of the corner. Most externals, either by light source or viewing angle, will have a blind(er) side to them. Best to cut around the corner into this area, re-plumb and splice where the joint will be less visible. 25-30mm around an external is best, as the paper needs to grip and not lift.
There are a lot of variables in this process, and you have to adapt to the situation you have. Hope this makes sense.
BTW - Ready-mixed paste makes a lot of this much easier.
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