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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:46 am 
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Hi Hitch :-)

Just writing to confirm the anvil's arrival this morning.
I had a go with it and am instantly getting better
results. Almost 100% reliability per ring and my
energy expenditure to form each ring has been
cut by about half so totally over the moon with it.

Thanks for taking the time to make it for me.

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Great new Noel, glad it worked okay!

The only way to improve it further would be to have a real precision fit between the two parts to eliminate any movement at all, and possibly have a return spring.

A small fly press would be perfect for this task!

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Hi,

Top marks Hitch for helping Noel out; it's brilliant when forum members come together like this. :salute:

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Hi Noel, you can practice the "weave" with some spring washers and a couple of pairs of pliers.
Are you aiming to rivet your mail once made?
It might be easier to flatten the ends of the bar/wire first before bending.

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Hi Tim.

The exact spec I intend to make is European 4 in 1 half flattened, fully wedge riveted Maile.

It is possible to make the maile with a combination of a riveted ring with 4 washers
connected to it though I question the historical authenticity of this approach.
You can also use a non riveted jumpring and spacer combination or even a welded
jumpring and spacer combination, but historically this wouldn't have happened.
The Japanese used non-riveted chainmaile in their armours though this was
evidently more for cosmetics and less for protective purposes.

Some people obviously wont care how it is made, so long as the end result
either looks like medieval chainmaile or protects like it. If however you want
to get the history right, then you need to go fully wedge riveted or fully dome
riveted.


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Hi Noel,

I only suggested the split rings for practice.
Apparently the tricky bit is punching the hole for the rivet(usually brass or bronze). through the two flattened ends. Some years ago when I was involved in re-enactment we could get some lovely riveted mail from India.
As you are discovering, the amount of work required to make mail was the reason it was so expensive and prized in EM period.

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I mentioned in my welcome post that I'd made a bit in my time although largely butted. From an historical point of view some mail was made of riveted and stamped rings. That is stamped whole like a washer with no joint and there would be in effect lines of riveted and lines of solid rings . This was known as banded mail and despite it seeming to be quicker to make and possibly stronger it seems to have been largely displaced by fully riveted by the fourteenth century if memory serves. I found that it made sense to form up a load of rings and to then attach one along with an open one.
With regards to the device shown in the link I had something similar but hand powered and i simply held the wire in my other hand . Funnily enough I found that wire coat hangers are made of a sort of springy steel and made good rings.
I remember someone making the riveted mail using a sort of shoulder punch for want of a better term. It flattened the ends and put the hole in at the same time.


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