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My house currently has dark brown upvc framed windows, which I can live with on the outside, but on the inside I want white to match the rest of the decor. Is there a way I can change the internal frame to white, or is it a case of replacement window?

I have seen that you can get uPVC professionally spray to any colour, so I understand that is one option but wondered if I am missing something?

Also are all upvc door handles interchangable? I like the look of a chrome handle and think that would help update the look of the window internally too.


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Yes, it is depressing dark wood finish on the inside. I think anything you do to cover it will be a bodge and it is best to bite the bullet and replace each window as you go along. I am not sure if it is a foil cover stuck on to give the finish, the exterior certainly is but quite how you would remove it I do not know? I think if you did get it off it would leave a dull matt white surface.

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Yes, it is depressing dark wood finish on the inside. I think anything you do to cover it will be a bodge and it is best to bite the bullet and replace each window as you go along. I am not sure if it is a foil cover stuck on to give the finish, the exterior certainly is but quite how you would remove it I do not know? I think if you did get it off it would leave a dull matt white surface.

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Cheers, I did here that they have a covering on them to give them that effect and the under is white. Maybe will have a look at that as I have nothing to lose if they are going to be replaced anyway!

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Upvc can be painted or sprayed you can also remove windows easily or mask up, replacing frames won't be necessary have you spoken to any decorators ?

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I have seen vids of them being sprayed, I haven't spoken to any decorators yet, but maybe that would be a good idea! People keep saying to me its a waste of money chucking a upvc frame/glass when all you want is the inside colour changed!

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Upvc can be painted or sprayed you can also remove windows easily or mask up, replacing frames won't be necessary have you spoken to any decorators ?

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Good clean down on the internal upvc, bridging primer such as Zinsser 1-2-3 followed by ???

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I've got some external UPVC windows to paint from white to anthracite grey.

I'm going to use zinsser 123 and then two coats of zinsser allcoat exterior.

Internally I'd say the 123 is the important coat and then you can paint over that with anything really.

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If the windows are in good nick and look alright outside (I personally don't mine the brown outside ones, but they do ages badly compared with white) then I would have a crack at painting them inside. Do it in a small room you don't use much first, then if it looks naff you know not to waste your time on the rest.



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Yeah think I will give it a shot!, so the way forward is Zinnser 123 followed by another coat of something else? Or something like Kolorbond?



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Well that's two coats of bullseye 123, looks pants. I'm not experienced in decorating. Should I be judging it on the final coats and ignoring the finish of primer?

Thinking that I should of got the rattle can option! Image

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123 is just a primer. In plain words, it is a paint designed to stick to whatever difficult surface you got to allow for the top coat to stick on it. It is not designed to be the top coat so it will never look great.

A couple of questions.
- Did you mix 123 well and did you clean the frames well (use what you like for cleaning but leave no detergents on), methylated spirit is good for a final wipe (or for all the cleaning)?

- Nothing wrong with 2 coats of 123, you may even need that, but you must leave a few hours before applying the second coat (does not look like you have let the paint dry).

- What level of sheen do you want your final coat to have? If eg. Satin or Gloss or Eggshell. Then you must get some paint of that sheen (ideally water based) to apply the top coat, and you are likely to need 2 top coats.



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I've got some external UPVC windows to paint from white to anthracite grey.

I'm going to use zinsser 123 and then two coats of zinsser allcoat exterior.

Internally I'd say the 123 is the important coat and then you can paint over that with anything really.

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You shouldn't need the 123 under the Allcoat mate as apparently it's the same bonding resin in both.


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fitzy wrote:
I've got some external UPVC windows to paint from white to anthracite grey.

I'm going to use zinsser 123 and then two coats of zinsser allcoat exterior.

Internally I'd say the 123 is the important coat and then you can paint over that with anything really.

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You shouldn't need the 123 under the Allcoat mate as apparently it's the same bonding resin in both.
I was just going by what they specify on the app.

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123 is just a primer. In plain words, it is a paint designed to stick to whatever difficult surface you got to allow for the top coat to stick on it. It is not designed to be the top coat so it will never look great.

A couple of questions.
- Did you mix 123 well and did you clean the frames well (use what you like for cleaning but leave no detergents on), methylated spirit is good for a final wipe (or for all the cleaning)?

- Nothing wrong with 2 coats of 123, you may even need that, but you must leave a few hours before applying the second coat (does not look like you have let the paint dry).

- What level of sheen do you want your final coat to have? If eg. Satin or Gloss or Eggshell. Then you must get some paint of that sheen (ideally water based) to apply the top coat, and you are likely to need 2 top coats.



That's reassuring to hear. I did clean the frames with upvc cleaner, then rubbed down with scotchbrite green pad, then white spirit again. I want the look of a normal white upvc window, so was thinking Satin?


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I think white spirit leaves an oily film when it evaporates hence most deccies prefer methylated spirit as it evaporates quickly and leaves no stuff behind. You need to remove normal household dirt, grease, smoke, street fumes, finger dirt etc. In some ways any household stuff would do as long as it thoroughly rinsed.

You are best off painting with the heating off to slow down the drying of the paint (123 and whatever you use for the top coats) and as you have no absorption it will take longer for the paint to dry so don't rush the second coat.


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