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Hello,

Please help, I need to change the gland in a 1/4 turn ceramic tap, and can't get the old nut off.

I've tried an AJ, but can't get a good grip as the nut is so far inside the housing.
I've also tried box spanners, but the 15 is too small and 16 too big.

Please help me find the right tool


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Surely an adjustable spanner will fit? You need to look for some which have narrower Jaws - rather than the rounder ones.

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Bloody stupid design on those taps, I've come across them a few times.
Only thing I found works is a deep socket, can't remember the size off hand it's one out of a set
Sorry not much help really



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Lloyd13 wrote:
Bloody stupid design on those taps, I've come across them a few times.
Only thing I found works is a deep socket, can't remember the size off hand it's one out of a set
Sorry not much help really
Surely a socket won't work, it's a cylinder with only 2 flat faces? What about those magic sockets full of pins which form around the shape required?
Probably cheaper to buy a new tap...

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Just a heads up on this job. The replacement cartridges can be difficult to source if they turn out to be non standard. This largely depends on how many splines, body length and the threads etc and there is a huge number many of which are very pricey. With this in mind I always recommend scorched earth policy and change the whole tap unit. It is a gamble that by the time you shell out for a removal tool that fits, get it undone and then find a compatible replacement cartridge that you have not spent more than a Toolstation replacement tap unit. Have a look here http://www.shop.lunns.net/ceramic-disc-valves-42-c.asp

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dewaltdisney wrote:
Just a heads up on this job. The replacement cartridges can be difficult to source if they turn out to be non standard. This largely depends on how many splines, body length and the threads etc and there is a huge number many of which are very pricey. With this in mind I always recommend scorched earth policy and change the whole tap unit. It is a gamble that by the time you shell out for a removal tool that fits, get it undone and then find a compatible replacement cartridge that you have not spent more than a Toolstation replacement tap unit. Have a look here http://www.shop.lunns.net/ceramic-disc-valves-42-c.asp

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Very true.
I've found very comprehensive ebayers with every single possible size but you have to measure every single dimension to make sure it's the right one. Usually only around a tenner though.
A complete faff if it's a no-name tap and if you need to buy a tool too...

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Water pump pliers often have long enough jaws for this kind of job if your adjustable wrench won't fit. My Wiha pliers have a long thin nose that has proved invaluable in the past.



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Something like this?
http://ebay.eu/2y2Ik0c
Depends how tight the thing is.



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A trip down memory lane there for me Dave. I made one of those in metal work at school. I was fascinated using the knurling tool on the lathe to cut the diamond thumb grips. I still have it somewhere. I recall I buggered up cutting the angles on the jaws with a hacksaw and it was taking an age to file so I used the grindstones to get them nice and flat. The teacher got arsey about it as I had 'cheated' in the process. :lol:

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A trip down memory lane there for me Dave. I made one of those in metal work at school. I was fascinated using the knurling tool on the lathe to cut the diamond thumb grips. I still have it somewhere. I recall I buggered up cutting the angles on the jaws with a hacksaw and it was taking an age to file so I used the grindstones to get them nice and flat. The teacher got arsey about it as I had 'cheated' in the process. :lol:

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The bloke who taught me fitting used to chuck stuff in the scrap if you'd been grinding it. We had more time though. Weeks of standing at a bench filing! :lol:

They are a handy tool though for all sorts.


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A basin wrench ? if it is just over 15mm file the edge down to suit (as there cast they have a wide tolerance) worth a punt for £3

https://www.screwfix.com/p/basin-wrench/13294



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Pull the circlip off first and you should be able to get in there with the end of the adjustables - even if you have to use another pair to turn them!!

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Razor wrote:
Pull the circlip off first and you should be able to get in there with the end of the adjustables - even if you have to use another pair to turn them!!


And that is no doubt the issue.

Off topic now, as solved, I recently inherited from my late father-in-laws's toolbox a small (yet chunky) adjustable spanner that had the jaws at right-angles to the 'handle'. Looking for the proper tool to tighten an electrical gland (empty) I realised that this would do the job & it did. The top flat sits inside the circular gland, the bottom flat sits against the nut, tighten the gland below with another spanner.


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