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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:43 am 
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We all know that you should "Back up your important information on a regular basis"

My question is what makes something important?

I make short videos (2-10 minutes average) nothing in particular, I have posted links to some on here. I keep the original unedited video as well as the edited version. I was debating about getting another storage device (Cloud is too expensive and is always ongoing payment) So I have decided to "take the plunge" and delete some / most.............. Since most can not be re-created I look at it that they are important (so need to be backed up) but I was looking at some still on my camcorder and thinking do I really want to keep those?

So my question to you is, what do you back up, and being totally honest with yourself is there some stuff you really don't need to keep? and if you say you must keep it, why must you keep it?

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My main machine has two drives. A 1Tb "system" drive, and a 2Tb "storage" drive.
I have two, 2Tb USB 3 external drives that are only connected when doing backups.
At present I use Acronis True Image 2016. Tried various programs over the years. Acronis seems to be the most reliable.
I just do full backups of the lot on to each of the drives in turn. System and all. Minus stuff like "recycle bin" and games folders.
I think I've said before that I make part of my living by selling photographs online. So backups for those are essential.
There are also videos of 8mm cine film taken by my wife's dad. 150Gb there IIRC.
I'll get bigger drives when I need them.
I (try to) do regular backups.
The external drives are kept in two well separated places.


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How many GB of data are you talking about?

I use Google drive, install the app and let it automatically do it in the background. There is a monthly fee but it it not obscene if you have less than 100GB. It seems even more reasonable when you take into account how much a external drive costs.

Something to keep in mind is why you are backing data up? Fire, theft, hard drive failure? External drives are often kept in the same area as the computer so anything but a hard drive failure would wipe both out.


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How many GB of data are you talking about?

I use Google drive, install the app and let it automatically do it in the background. There is a monthly fee but it it not obscene if you have less than 100GB. It seems even more reasonable when you take into account how much a external drive costs.

Something to keep in mind is why you are backing data up? Fire, theft, hard drive failure? External drives are often kept in the same area as the computer so anything but a hard drive failure would wipe both out.


You have to back up for the worst possible scenario.
I know someone in America who lost literally everything they owned in a house fire.
My external drives were £64 each five years ago. so £128 for the two.
At £16 a year for the Google option. That's £80 in the same time. I'll have a guess the two will work out about the same, but failure aside you have the drives at the end.
I'm allergic to monthly payments.
I don't trust companies either.
I also want my machine back up and running ASAP after anything happens. Hence backing up the system as well.
As I said I keep the drives in separate places. Neither is anywhere near the computer.


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My question is what makes something important?


Anything you don't want/can't afford to lose.

All the stuff I don't want to lose - in mb terms it's mostly photos - is backed up every day to an external hard drive.

i have a freebie programme, Karen's Replicator, that checks the designated folders on my C & D drives and makes any necessary changes to match on the external hard drive.

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Assuming they're not 'home' movies you could always set up a spare youtube account and upload them as private videos, that way you can control who sees them and it's a great way to back up vids for free at Googles expense :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Porn!..... err, I mean my valuable business and technical notes.... yes, that's what I meant.

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I like razors idea. But I can see YT will start charging soon......
The thing i have against the likes of google drive it costs £20 / year for 100gb, 1TB will be £84 / year :shock: not to mention if you don't pay for a month you loose the lot, I think I will look at buying quite a few smallish hard drives and put them in a plasterboard box.

But I am still open to listening to what others have to say.

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I don't feel that technology is (currently) reliable enough to rely on any single form of backup. We have a policy of scanning important documents (passports, insurances, finance etc) as a 'fire prevention' method but also have to consider alternatives to the usual backups such as portable HDDs, Datakeys, DVD's etc as either the technology will (has?) become obsolete or certainly WILL at some time in the future. There's also the issue of reliability and recent examples of HDD and Datakey failures haven't been encouraging.

But you can obsess about it if you don't take a pragmatic approach - backups of backups of backups etc.

One technology that has stood the test of time is simple paper - where we have important documents in print they are kept in a fire safe, semi-precious documents (photos and business data) are kept on data keys (photo's that are deemed irreplaceable are printed and stored) and other less sensitive stuff is spread around over multiple PCs, HDDs etc. We store NOTHING in the cloud - call me paranoid if you like but there's no such thing as 'safe' when stored electronically and most certainly 'in the cloud'.......

I'd trawl my data and be pretty ruthless in what I considered to be 'important' then get whatever I could in print with a backup in two non-connected devices (doing the download whilst disconnected from anything too) - technology of your choice.

BTW, if you print any backups, use a laser.

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Something I forgot about yesterday when I answered this is if you have BT broadband, they offer free cloud storage as part of the package. May be worth looking into.


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someone-else wrote:
I like razors idea. But I can see YT will start charging soon......
The thing i have against the likes of google drive it costs £20 / year for 100gb, 1TB will be £84 / year :shock:


There are others. PC world knowhow cloud offers 2TB of space for 30 £/year or 90 £/5 years. That is less than a tank of petrol.

Buying an extra drive only really safeguards against your original drive failing. If someone nicks your computer or your house burns down you still lose everything.

If you don't want to spend any money I would probably suggest creating a few free cloud accounts and store really important stuff there and an extra drive for stuff that is less important but handy to have around when losing the original.


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i never back up anything
indeed it was when my laptop was 3 years old i found out my disc drive has never worked :lol:

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i do mine by means of a home NAS/file server with raid setup and redundancy, i also use a rented web hosting package to back up to as well and i only do this because its not at the location of my house so in the event of fire or the house getting broken into i know that there is at least one copy of the file at the house or on the rented sever.

server hosting you can get cheap, go daddy are doing 100gb for £5.99 a month or unlimited storage for £7.99 at the moment. even if you went for the 100gb plan and only stored important data on there you know that it is backed up and not going to get stolen if your house is broken into or lost in a fire.

if you have an old pc you could turn that into a NAS (network attached storage) easy and free with some of the free NAS programs that are out there, you could then put it in a loft or basement out they way so its not likely to be stolen


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I backup all important files to external drives and keep them at my workplace - that way I'm covered if there is a fire or theft. I bring the drives home once a month, update them, then take them back. I've outlined the procedure I use - http://bit.ly/2FQXkPP

If you have a relatively fast broadband connection you can use online backups. About 3 months ago I signed up for the $5/month backblaze deal. It's pretty good - it backs up EVERTHING on your laptop/PC so there's no thinking about what to backup. I have a lot of data to backup though (4TB) so still waiting for the first backup to complete - something to consider.


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IMO at least back up all things that would be irreplaceable and/or awful if you lost them, and also things that would be too costly or time consuming to replace or redo.

A decent backup plan would mean having more than one, kept at more than one site, and tested occasionally to make sure they still work. Be cautious about overwriting previous backups, in case the current data have become corrupted or accidentally altered (you may want to keep archived, older versions that aren't overwritten). Don't just keep blindly doing backups (especially automated ones) - check that what you think is being backed up IS being backed up. Choose the simplest, most universal format you can use; only encrypt and password-protect stuff that actually warrants it.

All other stuff, that would just be annoying if it went.. well it is possible to spend too much time and money on things you wouldn't really miss very much. A halfway solution could be considered, like mirroring your data (e.g. a second local disk or a NAS) automatically, just to protect against mechanical disk failure, but with no effort into off-site backups to counter theft, fire, flood etc. Older stuff could be archived (in various places) and the archives just occasionally verified, rather than re-writing it all for each backup.

Of course, some stuff could go on google drive or other cloud systems (if you have the allowance of both storage space and broadband). But if it is genuinely important don't trust to third-party sites 'only', and if its sensitive or confidential encrypt before uploading.

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