Moving a double socket higher
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Moving a double socket higher
So at the moment this double socket (which I'm pretty sure is really a single with an adapter faceplate) is sitting too low and I want to move it higher and in maybe a slightly different location. Potentially the wires may need extending to do this. Is it just a case of using crimps then insulated tape to join?
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
If you isolate the circuit and remove the single adaptor faceplate (which it is) you will be able to ascertain if the ring main cables come up from the floor (a) or down from the ceiling (b). If in doubt give us a picture of the back box exposed.
(a) chase out up the wall to a new double back box let in to the wall; make the junction/extension with wagos inside the single back box and fit a single blank plate over it.
(b) very carefully chase out around the existing cable by hand up to the point that you want the new back box, you will have enough cable without extending anything.
(a) chase out up the wall to a new double back box let in to the wall; make the junction/extension with wagos inside the single back box and fit a single blank plate over it.
(b) very carefully chase out around the existing cable by hand up to the point that you want the new back box, you will have enough cable without extending anything.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Wago's are great but personally I'd crimp and heatshrink and cover the single socket with plaster. No point having a blank plate in the wall if there's no need. Particularly if you wish to have higher skirting boards and the blank plate would obstruct that which happened in my case.
I understand wago's would be the quicker option but there's mixed messages whether they are maintenance free (MF) or not so you can't bury them.
I'm not an electrician so maybe an electrician would confirm if wago's are MF or not.
I understand wago's would be the quicker option but there's mixed messages whether they are maintenance free (MF) or not so you can't bury them.
I'm not an electrician so maybe an electrician would confirm if wago's are MF or not.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Ok thanks chaps. So hopefully cables go up (which I'm pretty sure they do) then I will just relocate the box higher rather than moving it. Will fill the old backbox after with bonding/multi.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Just to clarify, if wires needed to be extended and plastered over in the wall. Then would crimp connectors and insulation tape be legal?
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
There's much debate over using crimp connectors on solid core cable, consensus is it shouldn't be done,
I have and nothing bad has happened yet....
Some Wago are maintenance free so it says on their site http://www.wago.ltd.uk/enclosures/wagobox/
If I was to use these I'd go for the genuine Wago over generic as I read somewhere about the ones from CEF
failing throwing in to doubt their MF credentials.
Screw type 'chocolate bloc' aren't MF though, if used, access for inspection is required.
I have and nothing bad has happened yet....
Some Wago are maintenance free so it says on their site http://www.wago.ltd.uk/enclosures/wagobox/
If I was to use these I'd go for the genuine Wago over generic as I read somewhere about the ones from CEF
failing throwing in to doubt their MF credentials.
Screw type 'chocolate bloc' aren't MF though, if used, access for inspection is required.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Maybe not on this site because this is where I was told to use it from a few members.There's much debate over using crimp connectors on solid core cable, consensus is it shouldn't be done
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Thankfully nothing needed extending, but it's interesting to know that information thankyou. The wiring in this house is actually stranded core (it's a 60's house with green goo type outer sheathing!)jaeger wrote:There's much debate over using crimp connectors on solid core cable, consensus is it shouldn't be done,
I have and nothing bad has happened yet....
Some Wago are maintenance free so it says on their site http://www.wago.ltd.uk/enclosures/wagobox/
If I was to use these I'd go for the genuine Wago over generic as I read somewhere about the ones from CEF
failing throwing in to doubt their MF credentials.
Screw type 'chocolate bloc' aren't MF though, if used, access for inspection is required.
New backbox, gromits fitted, flying earth now fitted too. Just got waiting for bonding to go off then will fill the rest, sand and screw faceplate on properly
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
If you have green goo, that is the cable starting to breakdownkevinsmbuk wrote: (it's a 60's house with green goo type outer sheathing!)
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Certainly worth getting an EICR done.someone-else wrote:If you have green goo, that is the cable starting to breakdownkevinsmbuk wrote: (it's a 60's house with green goo type outer sheathing!)
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
I thought it depends on the grade/quality of the cable? As I understand it with this type of cable it is the plastercizer in the cable breaking down under relatively low load.someone-else wrote:If you have green goo, that is the cable starting to breakdownkevinsmbuk wrote: (it's a 60's house with green goo type outer sheathing!)
When the kitchen is done we are putting a separate ring circuit in which should reduce load on the rest of the ring anyway.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Yes it does depend on the cable, but if it has green goo (and yours does) it is breaking down, there is no cure, it needs to be changed. it is not going to get any better.
The idea of a cable sheath is not only to give it some mechanical protection but to be an insulator too. As the insulation breaks down arcing can occur causing fire.
Don't panic, it's not going to happen in the next ten minutes, but if you ignore it, chances are it will happen.
The idea of a cable sheath is not only to give it some mechanical protection but to be an insulator too. As the insulation breaks down arcing can occur causing fire.
Don't panic, it's not going to happen in the next ten minutes, but if you ignore it, chances are it will happen.
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Re: Moving a double socket higher
Thanks for the information. So the long as short of it I am looking at a full rewire at some point!someone-else wrote:Yes it does depend on the cable, but if it has green goo (and yours does) it is breaking down, there is no cure, it needs to be changed. it is not going to get any better.
The idea of a cable sheath is not only to give it some mechanical protection but to be an insulator too. As the insulation breaks down arcing can occur causing fire.
Don't panic, it's not going to happen in the next ten minutes, but if you ignore it, chances are it will happen.