what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" paint

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what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" paint

Post by glassescase » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:08 pm

what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" paint?

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:28 pm

DIY/Retail paint has less opacity, less coverage (how far it will go)

Coverage for confirmation of that check the coverage on the back of a trade tin compared to the same colour and brand of a retail tin, you will get more coverage out of the trade paint.

Opacity generally trade paints cover in 2 coats unless a really strong colour change. Retail paints generally take between 3 and 7 coats (Yeah, I have applied 7 coats before using sh*t Fuc$ing paint)

So, your decorator will get trade paints for cheap or slightly more expensive that retail but you'll save costs when it only takes 2 coats to do the job and the paint stretches further, as opposed to using retail paint, 3 coats minimum and an extra couple of days labour.

Stop trying to save £5 on paint.
I think the real question is: what's the difference between valspar v300 and premium v700 and valslar trade paint. Cos they're all sh*t, have zero opacity, bugger all coverage and flashes like a right b*stard. The staff are utterly clueless and thick as sh*t. Hey! That's gonna take an extra day to do the job don't buy it.

DIY paint is for DIY jobs.
There will be other more technical reasons for difference but I finished college over 10yr ago I can't remember.

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:34 pm

And diy paint fades too, doesn't last long.

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by sammy.se » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:35 pm

How does crown trade paint compare to dulux?

Dan decor, what's your preferred brands of paint?

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:35 pm

Crown 100%

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Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:40 pm

You think of all the marketing dulux do on a day to day basis, they're prices are extorsion because they need to cover the costs of that brand image, they don't look after their customers.

A person can't be blamed for thinking dulux is the dogs dangleys, it's the most expensive and the most recognised. Even the stupid dog.but it's expensive only for that reason.

Crown paints cheaper than dulux I've never had a problem with it, complete confidence using crown. And the staff always want to help you!

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Post by sammy.se » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:42 pm

Ah that's good to know! There's a crown decorating centre near me, I've never used them because I'm taken in by the dulux marketing...
Is there any particular line of crown paint I should look out for? E.g. trade lines?

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Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:45 pm

sammy.se wrote:Ah that's good to know! There's a crown decorating centre near me, I've never used them because I'm taken in by the dulux marketing...
Is there any particular line of crown paint I should look out for? E.g. trade lines?

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Crown Trade emulsion,

If you're glossing I use oil based advance plus undercoat and gloss

If it's satin I use water based quickflow primer and satin.

If you go in and ask for a few colour charts they should have a few to hand you.

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by sammy.se » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:47 pm

Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated.

I must say i really love farrow and ball, but can't afford it...
Can i replicate the F&B colours using crown?

Sorry for all the questions...

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Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:51 pm

sammy.se wrote:Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated.

I must say i really love farrow and ball, but can't afford it...
Can i replicate the F&B colours using crown?

Sorry for all the questions...

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The thing with different paint manufacturers is they all use different pigments, chalks and oils and materials in their products. So if you got dulux to make crown or Johnstone to make farrow and ball, the colour will be 95% accurate but farrow and ball paints have a certain dusty texture to them which other manufacturers cannot do.

It's not going to be the same.
Crown heritage colour chart is sort of on that page like a rustic heritage sort of theme. But not the same.

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Post by sammy.se » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:54 pm

Understood, thanks so much for the explanation!!

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by OchAye » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:55 pm

sammy.se wrote:Ah that's good to know! There's a crown decorating centre near me, I've never used them because I'm taken in by the dulux marketing...
Is there any particular line of crown paint I should look out for? E.g. trade lines?
I am Crown fanboy and I do buy from their decorator's centres. Main reason for me is that some 25+ years ago as the trade centre was near my work I went there, the staff could not have been more helpful. And I stayed. In comparison Dulux equivalent counter has been mixed (at one point telling me they do not sell to the public which was a lie), and more expensive than Crown for the same types of products. At the trade centres sometimes they have some offers on basic colours (white/magnolia emulsion and sometimes extreme scrubbable paint).
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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by Job and Knock » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:29 pm

In that case who does the best white obliterating emulsion? (i.e. the most effective) Is it Crown Trade Covermatt or should I be looking from a paint from, say Leyland or Johnson?
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Post by dandecor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:36 pm

Job and Knock wrote:In that case who does the best white obliterating emulsion? (i.e. the most effective) Is it Crown Trade Covermatt or should I be looking from a paint from, say Leyland or Johnson?
Well, crown literally sell obliterating emulsion... but there's no such thing as one coat I would bare in mind. Johnstones are also top quality but haven't used either products to compare. Best way is to find out what works best for you.

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Re: what is the difference between trade paint and "DIY" pai

Post by OchAye » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:40 pm

I always thought of Crown Covermatt as being non-vinyl and in effect for new plaster or ceilings if you must [See note though]. If you want the better opacity so say two coats instead of three coats and money no object try their extreme scrubabble (acrylic paint). If you are changing from a strong colour there is this approach of going for a coat of grey (what shade?) before you apply your chosen colour ... I am not clear on it though.

Note: The spec sheet describes to perfection a paint for new plaster that is still drying, hence it must have no vinyl but then it says "Binder: Vinyl acetate copolymer. " I am not a chemist :-(

I too do not know about other makes.

EDIT. In case I am not clear you do not want a non-vinyl or non-acrylic paint on walls. Those paints do not last well at all, they go shiny if you rub against them, and they cannot really be wiped with a damp cloth let alone washed.
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