Transformer for cement mixer - help needed please

[valve90210]

I've just managed to acquire a cement mixer but need a transformer for it and have to say I have no idea what I'm looking for.

This is the connector it has on the body of the motor


The cement mixer is an old and very used Ibral 140

If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful! (ideally I want to spend as little as possible... Or free...lol)

[big-all]

i though blue was 240v but could be wrong
http://www.screwfix.com/p/ced-240v-exte ... oC7TTw_wcB

[valve90210]

Do you think there should be a third pin where the hole is?

[kellys_eye]

If it needs a transformer then it is inevitably a 110/115V device and the two-pin plug requires the equivalent mating socket (which will have a protruding earth pin to match the 'hole' you see).

Might be prudent to have it changed to a 'conventional' yellow 115V connector as the socket you require may not be readily available

[valve90210]

I'm only assuming it needs a transformer, I have no idea what it needs, was hoping someone might be able to tell me....

[kellys_eye]

There should be a 'plate' on the mixer stating the operating voltage/current/VA - I'm assuming because you SAID you needed a trasnformer that it operates from 110/115V as this is standard site transformer voltage (the big, heavy, yellow transformers you often see).

As already mentioned, the 'blue' plugs/sockets are generally 240V in the UK (Europe too?) so you really need to find the 'plate' to be sure. A 240V version wouldn't require a transformer at all.

[valve90210]

I figured it was 110v because it had a funny socket and on my limited knowledge that meant it needed a transformer...

I'll have a look tomorrow to see if there's anything on it saying what it requires...

[speed]

blue plugs are usually 240v 16amp

[richb]

It looks like a 16amp schuko. I have a +20year german made table saw with something similar. If I can find the lead, i'll dig it out and take a photo.

[richb]

I think it might be a CEE 7/5 (French)(Type E), http://www.stayonline.com/detail.aspx?id=28912

but that is just from looking at the picture.

You would be best to save yourself alot of hassle and just replace it If its 240v use:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK9701BLU.html

You need to figure out if its 110v or 240v and use the appropirate inlet.

[fin]

yes theres a 240v table saw in the depths of our lock up i think that has a socket on it a bit like that,. we had a belle mixer that is 240 that had a blue socket but that was the current style

[valve90210]

I've had a look this morning and there's no plate on it saying what it's power requirements are (helpfully...:()

People on another forum have also said it's a schuko plug and that if I was to wire a schuko socket to a 13amp plug it'll work.

The make is Irbal and according to their website their current model 140 has a 600w motor, which someone has said on 230v would only be drawing 2.6A so I should be fine running it from the mains..

[Hitch]

I'd just change the plug.

You can get Panel mounted Ceeform plugs, then have a trailing socket with the corresponding connector. Just put a 3pin plug on the end to plug into a normal socket somewhere out of the way.


Ceeform are the norm for industrial use. 240v is blue. They are much much more robust than standard 3pin plugs/sockets. IP44 too, so a bit safer to use where they may get splashed etc.

http://shop.showtec.co.uk/cables-connec ... anel-mount
Fitted on the mixer...

Lead made up with this on the end...
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=PCE213-6
(Just ramdom links from a quick search)

[Job and Knock]

Pleae, PLEASE do NOT assume that because it has a CEE typ 17 (BS.4343) plug or socket that it is a 110 volt device. CEE typ 17 has been around for some 40 yewars and the COLOUR denotes the voltage, thus:

blue - 220/230 volt single phase
yellow - 110 volt single phase
red - 380/415 volt THREE phase

and so on. If in doubt take a look at the motor which should have a rating plate on it and should be taken as gospel - that or contact the manufacturer/distributor

[Hitch]

Funny when the apprentices try and plug them into each other. I watched one lad for about 10 mins trying to plug a 110 grinder into a 240 ceeform socket. Kept trying and trying, have a look, try the other end of the extension lead, have a look, get a different grinder....