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Stair treads

Post by J.B.Carpentry » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:37 pm

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I have a job to make some stair treads. That normally means no issue but these are solid oak treads at 100mm thick and 235mm wide and roughly 800mm long. They will be put in between two steel U section strings my question is can I fit oak at that size and thickness tight in between these strings or do i need to leave and expatiation gap and if so how much of one for each side?

Also what could the effect be to the treads if fitter tight and they did expand ?

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Re: Stair treads

Post by big-all » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:28 pm

heeelllooo and welcome J.B.Carpentry :welcome: :welcome: :welcome:

tannin in the oak will cause black staining and rust the steel so not a good combination unless stainless steel
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Post by J.B.Carpentry » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:45 pm

big-all wrote:heeelllooo and welcome J.B.Carpentry :welcome: :welcome: :welcome:

tannin in the oak will cause black staining and rust the steel so not a good combination unless stainless steel

Yes I understand this the steel with be sealed with paint to stop the tannin effecting the steel and we are considering stainless steel to sit the wood on
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Post by big-all » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:00 pm

you could use brass or zinc as spacing
but dont forget all bolts or fixings must also be oak freindly
wood wont expand along its length so 3-5mm expansion each end is more than enough to allow the metal to move
are you remembering you need no gap greater than 95[100]mm in the riser assuming open ??
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Re: Stair treads

Post by Job and Knock » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:09 am

That staircase in my avatar is all steel. The oak treads (about 25mm thick) were fixed down using rubber grommets beneath the screws to ensure that there is minimal timber to steel contact, the screws the themselves were A2 stainless steel countersunk and pelleted and the steel was coated with an intumescent paint before it was finished with what smelled like an epoxy paint. We fixed with two screws at either end of the treads leaving about 3mm at each end of the treads (no more than that needed, really, as timber tends to expand and contract across the grain more than along the length) but the oak was sealed with 4 coats of Sadolin before installation and we didn't cut any to length ourselves.
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Post by J.B.Carpentry » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:56 pm

big-all wrote:you could use brass or zinc as spacing
but dont forget all bolts or fixings must also be oak freindly
wood wont expand along its length so 3-5mm expansion each end is more than enough to allow the metal to move
are you remembering you need no gap greater than 95[100]mm in the riser assuming open ??
we are currently undecided with the riser if its kept open or we put something there but i do understand the regulations don't allow anything bigger than 99mm
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Re: Stair treads

Post by Job and Knock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:03 pm

J.B.Carpentry wrote:we are currently undecided with the riser if its kept open or we put something there but i do understand the regulations don't allow anything bigger than 99mm
The regs say 100mm AFAIK. The stuff in my avatar had a solid steel riser, but I've also installed where the riser was glass (laminated)
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Post by ayjay » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:15 pm

Job and Knock wrote: The regs say 100mm AFAIK.
The actual wording is along the lines of:- "A 100mm sphere must not be able to pass through any part of the staircase"
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Post by big-all » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:23 pm

ayjay wrote:
Job and Knock wrote: The regs say 100mm AFAIK.
The actual wording is along the lines of:- "A 100mm sphere must not be able to pass through any part of the staircase"
thats why i aim for 95mm as wood moves :lol: :lol:
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Re: Stair treads

Post by Job and Knock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:43 pm

...and why we have a 100mm rubber ball to check (same as the BCO might have). If you need to squeeze it just a bit to get it through then you're OK. TBH I've rarely come across a BCO who's so pedantic that he'd jump up and down about 2mm - in the case of steel staircases you've got far greater problems to deal with getting the treads level side-to-side and front-to-back as well as with an even rise between treads. The last one I did, in fact four separate rises, was all over the show when we started and made worse by the attempt to weld several tons of ballasting onto the stringers of the longest section to damp the bounciness which it had. I needed to level off each and every tread on the four flights. Reckon that welding all the extra steel must have twisted the whole lot
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