Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

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Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Orph3ous » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:30 am

I just bought this old unit from a second hand store. It needs a new power cable but seems to work well with no blade wobble.

I can't find any information on it doing a google search, and was wondering if anyone has any clues as to when it was made and if brushes are still available for it? ImageImageImage

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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Bob225 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:23 am

Are you in the US, Canada or the land down under ?
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by big-all » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:28 am

all bxd stuff i have ever had has the date on it somewhere
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Orph3ous » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:34 pm

Bob225 wrote:Are you in the US, Canada or the land down under ?
I'm in Australia [emoji1037][emoji106]

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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Orph3ous » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:38 pm

big-all wrote:all bxd stuff i have ever had has the date on it somewhere
The only info on it is what's on that plate [emoji848]

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Post by Bob225 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:28 pm

If your opening it up look for part numbers on the trigger etc. I cant find anything on it, it maybe a AU domestic model only
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Job and Knock » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:16 pm

big-all wrote:all bxd stuff i have ever had has the date on it somewhere
That makes it post 1979 - B&D started to date stuff manufactured in the UK in 1980 (when they opened Spennymoor?). I've got a couple of Italian-made B&D tools from the early 1980s (dated from Italian advertising materials) and they have no dates in them. B&D started up production of corded tools in Italy somewhere in the mid-1970s making mainly UK- and USA-derived designs at first but they very quickly developed their own tools. I suspect that B&D Italy stuff was initially manufactured by a firm called Star, who seem to have made mainly drills and who were later bought-out by B&D (if you ever saw those pistol grip drills sold in the mid-1980s to early 1990s under the Elu and B&D Industrial brands, they were actually the last Star designed power tools before the firm was completely absorbed). All B&D Industrial and Elu power tools were rebranded deWalt in the early 1990s and many designs from competing manufacturing plants in Germany. Italy, UK, Canada, USA, etc were dropped when production was streamlined.

To answer the OP's question about the brushes - forget about B&D as a source because they simply don't hold spares for stuff that's been out of production more than ten years. Your best bet is to look for carbon brushes of an appropriate size on eBay. Loads to find there
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Dave54 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:35 pm

I thought "80s" when I saw it.
This page about the logos says that one was used from 1984-2014.
https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Black_%26_Decker
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Bob225 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:53 pm

Dave54 wrote:I thought "80s" when I saw it.
This page about the logos says that one was used from 1984-2014.
https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Black_%26_Decker
1963 - 1984 its laid out a bit odd
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Post by Dave54 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:00 pm

Bob225 wrote:
Dave54 wrote:I thought "80s" when I saw it.
This page about the logos says that one was used from 1984-2014.
https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Black_%26_Decker
1963 - 1984 its laid out a bit odd
You're right it is. My mistake.
I thought that was an earlier Logo. :scratch:
I know I've got a jigsaw somewhere that I'm sure has got that logo on it. That must be from the late 70s early 80s.
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Bob225 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:13 pm

Im not sure but up to the early 70's B&D where silver/polished ? the op's saw is plastic bodied so that must date it (no date stamp as J&K pointed out, makes it pre 1980/81)

A quick look at the 1976 argos book show plastic bodied tools
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Post by Dave54 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:33 pm

I could be wrong, but I think that late 60s(?) early 70s tools were alloy with gold paint. Then they went to orange and light grey alloy, then blue on alloy, then blue plastic.
I'd have thought that the blue alloy changed to blue plastic sometime mid-late 70s, which would make the plastic tools in 1976 right.
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Post by Dave54 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:14 pm

Meant to say, dad had a jigsaw that was silver. He got it off a mate of his. Must have been early / mid 60s, to that's make the silver ones a bit earlier.
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Bob225 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:24 pm

Drawing a blank on this one, it must be a rebranded model of the time as it doesn't match anything of that era - almost like its a parts bin special or produced for a major chain (Bunnings as its Aussie)
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Re: Black and Decker circular saw SEC/9S made in Italy?

Post by Job and Knock » Sun May 19, 2019 9:37 pm

Bob225 wrote:Im not sure but up to the early 70's B&D where silver/polished ? the op's saw is plastic bodied so that must date it (no date stamp as J&K pointed out, makes it pre 1980/81)
AFAIK not in the UK at that time. The polished ally look was often on American-made products, in some cases (professional tools) into the mid-1960s, but in the UK B&D dropped it in the mid-1950s when their DIY tools went to a silver paint finish (cheaper) and later on gold and silver, and at various times after that all gold, gold and Windsor brown, off white/light grey and blue, all blue, and at the very end white and orange, mustard or gold and white, etc. IU agree with Dave that the all-metal era came to an end in the mid-1970s when plastics initially replaced aluminium for the motor housings (on drills) and handles when B&D did go over to a silver gearbox and blue body or a while (while the gearboxes were metal). The move to all plastic would be early 1980s, when a lot of the traditional drill designs disappeared. Maybe I should publish some photos from my own stuff to illustrate?

Pro tools in the all metal period were variously painted all-over metallic blue and (later on?) all gold - again before the introduction of plastics in the late-1960s (I have examples of both liveries)

Getting back to the OP, the livery of "Co-op blue" and cream/stone is definitely a B&D Italy colour scheme and not one from either the UK or Germany. The problem with having a 35 to 40 year old tool, though, is that parts and manuals are no longer available - have you tried finding an equivalent forum in Italy and asking the questions there?
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