Splitting supply to a shower!!!
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All sorted... My sparky mate Buzz Lightgear came over and slung in some 2x60amp connectors, and two lenghts of 6mm to my ceiling pull switch!!! Took a photo of it, signed it off and sealed it all in under the floor boards....... Whole lot took him 30 mins..and cost me a bottle of Vino!!!
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Re: Splitting supply to a shower!!!
Excellent!carhartt kid wrote:So the pullcord interrupts both Live and Neutral!
Just as it should be!
Nothing wrong there!
How did you measure the cable?carhartt kid wrote:Just measured the cable and its 6mm (thats 5 x 1mm strands in a harmonised sheath, then a 1mm outer grey sheath)
First you said it was 10mm, now you say it's 6mm...
I see you got a "sparky mate" to sort it in the end, so hopefully he has used the right sized cable, but given that he went for the inferior solution of extending the cable rather than doing a proper job, and has left junction boxes sealed under floorboards, then I'm not entirely convinced he's any good....
Also, what is the total length now of the cable run from the CU to the shower?
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Ooh no - don't bond to a metallic light fitting.sparkydude wrote:Also dont forget cross bonding in your bathroom,linking, hot,cold,towel rail/radiator if present,metallic light fitting,shaver point and shower together with a loop of 4mm green/yellow insulated cable.
1) If it's a Class I item then the body will be an exposed-conductive-part, therefore connected to the cpc of the lighting circuit, and therefore bonded via that.
2) If it's Class II, then the body is not an exposed-conductive-part nor an extraneous-conductive-part, and therefore does not require bonding.
And the advice to bond radiators and towel rails etc ignores the possibility that they could be fed by plastic pipes and are therefore might not extraneous-conductive-parts....
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I always think you should use the figures that the appliance manufacturer gives you.sparkydude wrote:Tim, you are now meant to use 230V as your calculation voltage, not 240 or 250, as i suppose the way they look at it is if you work it out with 230V thats the worst case scenario, cant get worse than that really.
So if he quotes the power consumption at 240V (which AFAICT is the case for 99.999999999% of shower makers) use 240V.
It makes no sense to use the 240V rating of an appliance in a 230V calculation.
If they also quote a 230V power consumption, then you can use that. If not, then a pretty good approximation for what the current would be at 230V is (where P is the quoted power consumption at 240V):
P x 230
240²
Anybody who wants such a table will find it in the Wiring Regulations, Table 4D5A, or the On-Site Guide as Table 6F.As for the table mr hinton, that table relates to flexible cables only , as you cannot obtain 1.25mm twin and earth LoL, any cable which has fine stranded cores, has a slightly higher current carrying capacity than a normal stranded core cable.
Will try and find a table somwhere which shows the sizes and ratings.
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I am sure that all the documents out there are specifically designed to confuse people.ban-all-sheds wrote:Ooh no - don't bond to a metallic light fitting.sparkydude wrote:Also dont forget cross bonding in your bathroom,linking, hot,cold,towel rail/radiator if present,metallic light fitting,shaver point and shower together with a loop of 4mm green/yellow insulated cable.
1) If it's a Class I item then the body will be an exposed-conductive-part, therefore connected to the cpc of the lighting circuit, and therefore bonded via that.
2) If it's Class II, then the body is not an exposed-conductive-part nor an extraneous-conductive-part, and therefore does not require bonding.
And the advice to bond radiators and towel rails etc ignores the possibility that they could be fed by plastic pipes and are therefore might not extraneous-conductive-parts....
Paul Cook from the IEE published a PDF booklet on earthing plastic pipes and it says
" The protective conductors of
all power and lighting points
within the zones must be
supplementary bonded to all
extraneous-conductive-parts
in the zones, including metal
waste, water and central
heating pipes, and metal
baths and metal shower basins."
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Well - no, they are not, but they might be confusing to people who don't understand what they mean. They are written, not to confuse, but to be precise.ultimatehandyman wrote:I am sure that all the documents out there are specifically designed to confuse people.
My first point above - it is the protective conductors that are connected to the bonding, not the bodies of metallic light fittings.Paul Cook from the IEE published a PDF booklet on earthing plastic pipes and it says
" The protective conductors of
all power and lighting points
within the zones
And here you must know what an extraneous-conductive-part is. NICEIC have a good document here explaining it.must be
supplementary bonded to all
extraneous-conductive-parts
in the zones, including metal
waste, water and central
heating pipes, and metal
baths and metal shower basins."
The examples in Paul Cook's list are things which must be bonded if they are extraneous-conductive-parts, it is not saying, for example, that a metal bath is an extraneous-conductive-part.
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Sorry - it was bit of a flippant reply.
But the thing is that advice is so incomplete, ignoring as it does the whole topic of whether items really are extraneous-conductive-parts, as to be worse than useless.
It's not a case of "better safe than sorry", or "can't do any harm" - if you apply supplementary equipotential bonding to an item that is not an extraneous-conductive-part then you have made things less safe, not more.
But the thing is that advice is so incomplete, ignoring as it does the whole topic of whether items really are extraneous-conductive-parts, as to be worse than useless.
It's not a case of "better safe than sorry", or "can't do any harm" - if you apply supplementary equipotential bonding to an item that is not an extraneous-conductive-part then you have made things less safe, not more.
I'm sorry - I can't come in to work today, the voices are telling me to stay at home and clean the guns.
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