Is it the end for 110v

Cannyfixit · Post by **Cannyfixit** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:05 am

Whilst I’m in a de clutter mode I came across a couple of 110v and 240v power tools so to try and raise some cash for the up and coming festivities I tried to sell them and got not one single enquire
Is that it are we so far into battery tools we abandon our loyal and trusted friends from long long ago :dunno:

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:29 am

With the way things are going then yes 110v are going to be a lot less common especially now you can get powerful batter powered chop saws and table saws.

Someone-Else · Post by **Someone-Else** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:41 pm

I would say yes, 240 hand tools are on the way out as most DIY will opt for battery powered, but 110 still going strong, as you can't get everything with batteries (yet)

oz0707 · Post by **oz0707** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:47 pm

I think we will see petrol tools banned before 110v then I suppose sites would just stop providing power.
Not seen a half inch router battery yet

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:55 pm

would think dewalt could come up with an 15-1800w 54v router as they already do a 18v 900w router
although a 2ah54v battery contains around 6500w off power so a 1600w motor would last about 4 mins on full load or perhaps 15 mins on average load :dunno:

Job and Knock · Post by **Job and Knock** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:15 pm

big-all wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:55 pm would think dewalt could come up with an 15-1800w 54v router as they already do a 18v 900w router
although a 2ah54v battery contains around 6500w off power so a 1600w motor would last about 4 mins on full load or perhaps 15 mins on average load

So naff all use for commercial kitchen fitting where you are fitting a kitchen a day, then (realise that on a large site you may be a 10 minute walk/lift journey each way from a charging point)? 1600 watts is a bit wimpy if you are dealing witrh certain hardwoods or Corian as well (where 2200w or more is better). TBH, whilst for a lot of second fix work cordless is enough, there are some tasks (particularly in 1st fix) where there still isn't any battery tool up to the job. Case in point is this week's work where I've needed to rip down 75mm thick C24 to make-up bearers (to sit on steel fliutch plates), and also notch-out the ends of 75mm thick joists to sit on the bearers as well as cutting multiple solid strutting blocks (same thickness, but most ripped-down in length to reduce the installed height). Haven't seen any 80mm depth cordless rip saws on the market to date (for ripping-down battens from 3 metre long joisting) and carrying multiple batteries up and down 5 or 6 storeys isn't my favourite use of time or energy.....

I agree that cordless has/can replace a lot of 110 volt tools, but there are still limits, especially if the work is heavy and/or sustained

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:49 pm

in theory iff they can manage 900w at 18v you would think they could manage 2700w at 54v so a compromise at perhaps 18-2000w and 5ah at 54v would give 54x5x 60 mins = about 16000w so would last about 8.5 mins at full power and perhaps 30 mins over an average cycle
i can see them developing a duel battery body holster like makita to give 110v capacity to hand held via a short cord for tools like routers
i really really wished dewalt would bring the powerstation they do in 230v rather than just 110v as i have 48ah off batteries i could use lol
https://www.dewalt.com/products/storage ... r/dcb1800b

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:20 am

Are they really managing 900W from an 18v battery?

That's pushing 50A which is serious current through those circuits. Even a 5Ah battery would only last 6 minutes at full blast.

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:15 am

dcw 604 router
voltage---- 18v
output----930w
mentions in the manual but not the wedsite
https://products.dewalt.co.uk/powertool ... /DCW604NT/
this drill for example is 820w output
https://products.dewalt.co.uk/powertool ... /DCD996P2/

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:22 am

I am not doubting what they say on their spec sheet, I am doubting the real world practicality of such a thing. You can't pull 50A sustained from a battery pack surely.

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:27 am

updated my above post a bit
they have circuitry in both the tool and battery for protection

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:55 am

That must surely be a peak output, not sustained though.

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:50 pm

yes i would suggest overload level
as in stay there for too long it will keep cutting out as the tool and battery take it in turns to shut down for a cool down period

Bob225 · Post by **Bob225** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:56 pm

I would imagine its 900w peak with the RMS being 1/2 to a 1/3 of that, It all dependent on the efficiency of the motor and electronics

You will still get 110v tools as most companies have worldwide distribution across varying markets

big-all · Post by **big-all** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:40 pm

it does say output power suggesting shaft power ??
this is the mains powered version it says 900 input and 620 output so maybe is the input ??
https://www.dewaltpowertools.co.uk/powe ... fications/