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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:22 pm 
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Hello

I wondered if someone please could provide me with some advice. We live in a 1905 terrace and want to take out the cupboard under the stairs!!

Could this beam be removed or is it holding up the stairs.

Thank you Vic :dunno:


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They usually are just panelling and provide no support. Can you post some pictures outside and inside the stair cupboard so we can see. This may help posting-pictures-t24796.html

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Thank you for your reply I am struggling to resize the photos on my iphone


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Yipppeee I managed to change the pictures, these post either side of the staircase, hope this helps


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Well done :thumbright: I would say the staircase is supported by joists on the upstairs and the side under panelling is there to form a storage area. Just to be sure look up at where the stairs reach the top inside the cupboard and see if you can see it fixed into the first floor timbers. Post a picture if you are not sure.

To get it straight in your mind, imagine a ladder from the ground to the top of a wall. No support is needed as long as the span is not too great and it bounces too much. In this instance the staircase is a strong 'ladder' fixed on one wall, and top and bottom so no further support is needed.

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dewaltdisney wrote:
To get it straight in your mind, imagine a ladder from the ground to the top of a wall. No support is needed as long as the span is not too great and it bounces too much. In this instance the staircase is a strong 'ladder' fixed on one wall, and top and bottom so no further support is needed.

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That's a nice analogy, I like it :thumbleft:

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Here you go, I am really liking this advice :huray:


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those timbers at the back look rather large and well fitted to the string suspect they may have been added later for support :dunno:
often the string by the wall is thinner as its fixed to the wall
is there any visible fixings into the wall and is there any gap looks like you can get your fingers up into the gap even allowing for a large shadow :dunno:

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I think in the last picture you can see at the top 3 blocks that appear to attach the staircase, I thought I could draw on the photo but........


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In essence, if this is a straight flight it will be bearing onto a trimmer at the floor level at the top of the stairs: assuming that there's no landing part-way up the flight and consequently no newel post at that point coming down to the floor level, there's several pieces of timber under your stairs which have no place to be there unless the stairs have needed some strengthening/stiffening in the past, (not uncommon in old properties if the stairs have been badly treated in some way).

Are the vertical timbers in the second pic (your third post) against the wall, or are they behind the cladding? There should be no need for them against the wall.

Just to try and illustrate, (best I can find without searching the net) this one below is finished as far as any support is concerned, it's self supporting once it's up against the trimmer.
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