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 Post subject: Hanging lining paper
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:27 pm 
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Bedroom is being redecorated. Layers of old wallpaper have been removed. I've filled any holes and patches with ronseal wall filler and sanded them down. The plan is to line the walls with lining paper and then paint over. I've pored over forums but still don't have enough information and I've never hung wallpaper before!

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1. What grade lining paper? 1200-1400 seems usual.
2, Do I still need to size the walls with wallpaper paste (and allow to dry for 24 hrs)?
3. Should I use Zinsser Gardz instead?
4. Is Erfurt Fibreliner overkill? Should I stick to standard liner paper?
5. Do I need to thin the first coat of paint?


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First question. why do you need lining paper when you have a filled/sanded to a decent standard ?

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wine~o wrote:
First question. why do you need lining paper when you have a filled/sanded to a decent standard ?

It's not a perfect finish. If I had the time and space, I'd empty the room completely and get the whole thing reskimmed. As it is, I'm redecorating whilst still using the bedroom and this is easiest for us.


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Personally I would look at 1000-1200. I always use Beeline primer sealer, it takes an hour to dry. It seals and there is no need to size before lining. I've never used Erfurt Fibreliner so i can't comment. You can paint lining paper without having to thin first.



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1. Difficult to answer without seeing the walls..but id go for twelve, 14 can have a bit of texture
2, You only need size if the surface is porous, I would go for beeline primer sealer as Morton suggests
3. No need
4. Overkill yes, expensive..but good stuff and easy to apply, however, it leaves a texture, so opt for the smooth version if you want to use it
5. Depends on the paint if you use traditional lining, I often do if it 'drags', rarely need to thin over fibreliner

Rub the walls over with fine abrasive paper after the first coat to smooth down any raised texture from the lining paper

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Well I ended up using 1400 lining paper. Sized the walls the night before. Paper went on easily. Did my best to butt up the drops. A couple of drops have very slight gaps intermittently along their lengths. Less than 1mm.

I planned to paint the walls, fill and sand the gaps, and then second coat.

I'm getting different impressions about which filler to use (easifill, one strike, toupret etc), and whether to seal before applying filler (apparently moisture from filler can moisten and loosen edges of paper) or seal after applying filler (so paint doesn't drag it out).

Any advice?


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I would not use Easifill, it is too porous and too powdery and you need to keep moisture at the edges of the paper to a minimum, you would also have to properly mistcoat easifill, i.e. soak it again. You are on the right track, you seem to have searched this site, and my comments below are based on info from this forum.

Seal (with emulsion? other things may flash), fill, sand gently, thin coat of paint over the filler with well feathered edges (some fillers need mistcoating), paint. Let everything dry properly before getting it wet again.



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I've only lined once and made plenty of mistakes, well done U, but worst was some overlap on joints but small gaps just disappeared with the matt emulsion, I would not have risked filling and sanding, just my opinion.



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OchAye wrote:
I would not use Easifill...Seal (with emulsion? other things may flash), fill, sand gently, thin coat of paint over the filler with well feathered edges (some fillers need mistcoating), paint. Let everything dry properly before getting it wet again.

Yup easifill was one of the contentious fillers - some recommended it, some had bad experiences. I'm looking at toupret ready mixed: https://www.toolstation.com/toupret-rea ... ler/p51702
It states it doesn't grin or flash.

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I've only lined once and made plenty of mistakes, well done U, but worst was some overlap on joints but small gaps just disappeared with the matt emulsion, I would not have risked filling and sanding, just my opinion.

I've comtemplated it. A few coats of paint might just hide everything.


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Stealthwolf wrote:
Yup easifill was one of the contentious fillers - some recommended it, some had bad experiences. I'm looking at toupret ready mixed: https://www.toolstation.com/toupret-rea ... ler/p51702
It states it doesn't grin or flash.


Go with the toupret. I have not used that one, but I would normally use the same product in powder version (2kg for the same money at toolstation). The only thing with the filler (any filler) is that it will produce a flatter surface over the seam where the rest of the paper will have its own finish. If you use a roller for painting, use a similar mini roller to go over just the filler when it dries (fading the edges). With a bit of luck, when you put the final coat it will all be an even(ish) texture. There again I am probably overthinking it.



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