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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:16 pm 
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Anyone have any idea what this is or how it works please?

I opened a sort of exterior cupboard looking for the meter, to take a reading at a property. What I was expecting to find was a digi or analog meter with a number in kWh. What I found instead was this. Looks pretty neat but what does it do and how is it activated?

The digital readout appears to say something, but I'm not sure what it means. Either:

1) That the occupier/electricity user is in "debt" (to the power company?) to the tune of £3.17; or
2) 3.17 kWh (or some other unit) has been used but not paid for.

What confounds the matter is that there's a sort of electronic 'key' that's supposed to slot into this device. I've seen it being used. What happens is, if you put this 'key' into a slot on this device, the power turns on inside the property.

If you look carefully at what's written on the side of this device, it's a bit blurry but it says:

"Insert key to add credit or activate emergency credit."

I take this to mean that the 'key' can be sort of topped up somehow, like a PAYG phone, to allow this property to get n kWh before needing topping up again. How is this done? Is it over the internet or on the telephone to the power company? I have no information about it. I take it to also mean that if you don't top up with enough power, you can still get electricity to the property, but this time you'll be in arrears to the power company.

Any clarification about this device would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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I don't know much about them, but I think you do have to have an actual physical key to top them up. In areas where they are much in use, my first port of call would be the nearest newsagent/corner shop or Post Office.

Does it say *Debit* above the £3.17.? If it does, I'd guess that it's £3.17 in arrears, if you buy a £10.00 key you'll only get £6.83p of electrickery.

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i think iff you have run out off credit you press the button it goes to "E" for emergency where you are using up the £5 emergency credit but could be wrong
you take the key to the local shop and top up
when inserted with credit loaded any outstanding emergency credit then any "loans " towards an old amount will come out first then any outstanding credit covers useage
in other words you owe say £500 to be paid at £10 a week and one week you top up to say £40 ten may go to the money owed some will go to the power used now it may nick a further £10 7 days on or take it from a reincertion off the key i am not sure but in general they are the most expensive way to buy power mostly for the poorest in society :roll:

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Awesome information guys - many thanks.

I've been looking it up online and came across something called PayPoint - apparently you take the key to an off-licence or corner shop, and tell them to add however much credit to that thing. You then stick it in the pictured device, and the device loads that credit (less any arrears/'debt'), giving you however much power your electricity provider will give you for the amount of credit you put in. Seems a gnarly thing to have to do tbh, but a simple and effective system.

However, from what you're saying big-all, and I'm grateful you mentioned this, is that there's more to it. I was considering just going to a local corner shop and putting £20 in (hehehe 'electricity with your tramp juice, sir?') because I have 2 weeks alone with the property and want to plug in my tools. But I don't want to do that if some of that money doesn't go towards electricity (however overpriced it may be) but rather towards someone else's ongoing debt to a power company. I mean, if that debt is £3 then no problem, but if I'm unknowingly going to contribute towards paying off someone's £500 debt then I won't go in for that and I'll find another power solution.


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if you have taken over the property they cannot charge you for someone elses debt but you must clear it up with them to reset the meter and bill the person
iff you have taken over i would look for an energy company that will take over the supply and with a deposit give you a perhaps 12-14p a unit cheaper costs on a normal meter
go to money saving expert impartial and accurate for transferring https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/

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Seems you can't just walk into your local newsagents and get a key, (But everything said so far is correct) see This

Obviously, you would need to know who the electricity supplier is first.

If it were me, I would point out to the landlord you can't work as no (almost) electricity, and let them get you a new key.

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Its a standard key meter, ultra common in rented properties - you get £6 of emergency credit, you will need to contact the electricity supplier for a key, do not use a random key as you can corrupt the key and/or meter, as well as losing any credit on the key

As you now know now you credit the key at any paypoint or post office*



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Thanks for all the information guys. I'm going to find out the MPAN of this property tomorrow.

It seems that if no key has been inserted and there is no power to the property, then nothing electrical should work. That is indeed the case.
However, why should the meter then show £3.45 'debt' when the previous day it showed £3.17. Is this interest due on the electricity that has been used in arrears? Or is it something more sinister? I'm not sure how this value can increment from £3.17 to £3.45 overnight (I checked again on Saturday) when the only electricity in the property is powering that little digital meter. Nobody has stuck a key in there, no lights nor mains work, etc. Is there a simple/innocent explanation for why this might be incrementing all by itself?

I found this small box thing outside the property. Just to note, the meter is located in an external cupboard (you can just about see the brown door of that cupboard to the left of the photo), and the black lead goes up inside the cupboard and feeds into the meter.

It appears that this box had some sort of tamper protection on it (which looks like a zip tie) at some point, which is now clearly broken. Additionally, the wire going to the property going to my cupboard looks neat and orderly and straight. On the other had, the wire going off to the right isn't straight.

Is someone / was someone leaching electricity or running down the meter at this property for electricity used in another?


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it could be set up to take say £6 a week or £6 off every top up inserted towards the arrears
i also believe if you haven covered all your weekly amount it can take more than one amount but onlt a guess

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The "small box thing" is where the BT phone cable terminates. You can even see the T in the picture (Old BT logo)

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Pagala wrote:
why should the meter then show £3.45 'debt' when the previous day it showed £3.17.

Perhaps there is a daily charge. My electricity is like that, I pay so much per day and then so much per kwh used on top of that.


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Its a standing charge the £3 whatever could of been accrued if the property was empty, you need the key to put the emergency on

As above the gray box is just the BT phoneline


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