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Hi all,
Anyone with experience/advice on opening up fireplace?
I want to install a log burner.. however, the builders opening needs to be made bigger
Its currently 560mm x 650mm and i need it to be at least around 1000mm x 1200mm (cobelled brickwork starts at the height of 560mm)
I can put a lintel in the front (into face 100mm) however my problem is - can i take out the corbelled brickwork behind it.. and the inside cheeks of the fireplace or is this load bearing? and if so how do I do this?
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what width is it 1000 or 1200 thats needed for the log burner?
the total width of the c/breast is about 1400mm am i right?

you show a single flue c/breast in the loft, thats been dropped below the roofof the dormer. is there also another c/breast on the left of the photo?

is that cobwebs hanging down from the clay flue pipe?


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wes56 wrote:
what width is it 1000 or 1200 thats needed for the log burner?
the total width of the c/breast is about 1400mm am i right?

you show a single flue c/breast in the loft, thats been dropped below the roofof the dormer. is there also another c/breast on the left of the photo?

is that cobwebs hanging down from the clay flue pipe?



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I thought forums like this one were here to help folk like me.. Any sensible reply's very much appreciated.. many thanks... legepe


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legepe wrote:
...the builders opening needs to be made bigger
Its currently 560mm x 650mm and i need it to be at least around 1000mm x 1200mm (cobelled brickwork starts at the height of 560mm)

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what width is it 1000 or 1200 thats needed for the log burner?
the total width of the c/breast is about 1400mm am i right?

The question is about the opening you require - is it 1000mm WIDE x 1200mm HIGH or 1000mm HIGH x 1200mm wide? Your original post doesn't make that clear

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I can put a lintel in the front (into face 100mm) however my problem is - can i take out the corbelled brickwork behind it.. and the inside cheeks of the fireplace or is this load bearing?

I'm not a brickie (I'm a chippie), it looks as though the flue is offset from the centre line of the fire place opening, possibly because the opening originally contained a range with an oven. This would only occur on the ground floor or possibly in the basement (if any). The corbelling is used as a means of staggering (or offsetting) the position of the flue and hopefully the narrow flue on the floor above is what happens on the next floor up. It does have a support function in many cases. So assuming that there is only a single flue in the chimney (is there a fireplace in the same position on the floor beneath?) it should be possible to break-into the chimney breast some distance above the proposed position of the new lintel, insert an Acrow prop or two and Strongboy(s) on doubled planks to support the chimney breast above (don't skimp on these) and to cut-away the brickwork beneath in order to insert a new lintel. Just remember that you may well need to remake the corbelling in order to support what's above it. If you have any doubts at all as to what is in there, or there is another flue, you really need to get hold of a brickie who has experience of dealing with old chimneys

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you show a single flue c/breast in the loft, thats been dropped below the roofof the dormer. is there also another c/breast on the left of the photo?

Yes. I'd also be asking about the existing fireplace opening - that's quite a wide chimney breast, so can you confirm that the chimney breast doesn't have more than one flue in it? I've seen Victorian chimney breasts with up to a dozen flues in them (on bigger buildings, but nevertheless....)

As I stated this doesn't look straightforward (at first sight) you may need to consider having a brickie in for a few days to help prop the existing chimney breast above where the new opening is required and the re-route the angled section of the chimney breast as well as put-in a new lintel. Either way when you install the wood burner you will need a flue liner and the installation will need to be signed off by a HETAS-certified installer. I had to do that with mine as it is a legal requirement as the installation of a wood burner is notifiable to the local authority

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Thanks guys.. I appreciate your input.. The property is a 1968 build therefore the builders opening is small. There is one flue only (on my side of property).. its built on a party wall. it looks like the fireplace and stack were built first then the walls dividing the properties built up to either side of it. the other side of it (on the neighbors side) will be a mirror image of what you can see in the pic.
My instinct is telling me that a lintel in the face will support it. but I was hoping that someone had already had some experience with this type of work... I did a fireplace on an old terraced house around 6 months ago.. but the original builders opening was way bigger and the corbeled brickwork was much higher therefore didn't have to touch it.
Ive searched all over the place and I cannot find any info to do with this..
Anyways.. thanks again...
legepe
Sorry if i was a bit short in my previous post..! apologies to you wes56


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moderators,
please look at the posts of the user name legpepe above.


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wes56 wrote:
moderators,
please look at the posts of the user name legpepe above.


He has apologised to you on his last post :hello2: , he is now back to taking the non-expired medication :toothy7:


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