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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:23 pm 
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I'm in the process of doing the research on a kitchen extension.

Looking at kitchens I love the handle less designs. A quick check and you see that to do it properly you do not use the J top versions from the standard suppliers. You use a ali C section inset into the frame and just flat topped doors or drawers.

The cutting of the cabinets to have the ali frames is no issue but I have a problem. A full height door is say 720mm and so is the cabinet. So unless I get a shorter door at say 690mm it's not going to fit.
Top doors are ok as the hand area is under the door.

As hard as I can see I cannot find out if the doors are shorter or its the cabinet that is taller. Since I want to do it on the cheap I want to use standard doors. Only thing I can think is I use a standard cabinet and add some extra at the top and make the plinths lower.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:42 pm 
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Not quite sure what the question is here, but as far as i understood, you want to know if the door is the same height as the cabinet? If so then yes it is. The door doesnt need to be shorter as the the bottom half of the J is where you stick your fingers to open the door. See pics. I have the exact kitchen in questions. If you need anymore detail let me know.Image

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:16 pm 
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Hi danny4g

That is in fact the inferior system I mentioned with the J top.

This is what I'm talking about

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TimB100 wrote:
Hi danny4g

That is in fact the inferior system I mentioned with the J top.

This is what I'm talking about

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Aha, so i didnt understand the ask then. Not sure on that one. Apart from trimming the door not sure what to suggest.

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Your first picture clearly shows doors with a groove along the top exactly as Danny refers to, this is not "handleless" but "concealed handles". You can see a gap between the apparent top of the door and the underside of the worktop, where you put your fingers.

To be truly without handles you need to do some more research - try Hafele's website for a start. You need special hinges and latches that work by, when you push the closed door IN, it pops open towards you by a spring. To close it, you push push it to, and the mechanism reverses. I am sure that these exist but don't have time to investigate further at the moment.


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TimB100 wrote:
Hi danny4g

That is in fact the inferior system I mentioned with the J top.

This is what I'm talking about

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We have the 'J' top doors on our kitchen. What makes you say that they are inferior? The system you would need to open the doors/drawers is just something else to go wrong.


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I bought my kitchen from this company
https://www.diy-kitchens.com/

They make their own units and may be able to advise you on the type you are looking for.

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I have push latch doors, they work ok. I'm going to disagree concealed handles sound like they have handles but you cannot see them whereas what I want has no handles at all.

stevei

Maybe I am being hard on the J top doors. The issue I have is the finger grip area is small so makes opening hard. Apparently the top has been known to split. I do not like them though as they do not look as neat as the ones I showed.


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London mike 61

In the past I purchased doors from B&Q but was looking at this from ebay (below), I purchased a small door. The finish is v good but the edges are sharp.

Looking at the photos I found of the handles doors they have a sloped back. Not standard.

To answer my original question it seems handleless doors are 685mm tall

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362387194461


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TimB100 wrote:
To answer my original question it seems handleless doors are 685mm tall

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362387194461

Are they, though? "Standard" doors are 720 and 570 and are readily available from a multitude of suppliers. 685 seems to be one manufacturers own in-house standard. I installed some kitchens on a new build development this summer where the doors were all "standard" heights (i.e. 720), but the carcasses were made slightly taller to accommodate the J-profile (the plinths were reduced in height). Using shorter cabinets/doors, etc just wasn't an option as all the apartments had a full-height wine cooler and oven installed in the kitchens and the J-strip ran over the tops of all the built-ins (the dishwasher wasn't an issue as it was short enough to fit anywhere). Had the J-strip been lower those built-ins wouldn't have fitted. There were only a few hundred apartments in the block (well, about 500), so maybe not a standard as such, but it did mean that the developer could change door suppliers at will without needing to wait for special size doors to be manufactured.

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Brilliant, you given me the nod to do that myself. Appreciate the advice. :salute:


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I have the inferior doors and even with 5 or 6 years of use and abuse from my family, the doors still look as new. I am also 6 foot 5 with hands like shovels and haven't found them too small or hard to open.


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dandan wrote:
I have the inferior doors and even with 5 or 6 years of use and abuse from my family, the doors still look as new. I am also 6 foot 5 with hands like shovels and haven't found them too small or hard to open.
I hav3 had mine 2 years now and would say the same. I think if you want a bigger J for fatter fingers then you can go for the 22mm doors.

What you have to be careful of if you are trying to save money, is that you dont buy wrapped doors. The likes of Howdens will sell you wrapped doors, hence the competitive price. What you want if yoy are worried about quality is fully lacquered doors.

Buying of ebay for cheap is going to be a risk.

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at the moment at work ive been fitting a benchmarx true handleless kitchen. the doors are standard 735mm tall.

benchmarx wickes etc have weird sized doors for some reason or other...

the cabinets come with a notch already cut out and the top rail is moved back a little bit for the aluminium rail. also from memory it is 32mm strips of mdf that you add on to support the worktops. so you have the standard cabinet height plus 32mm for the mdf to take it up to the top of the aluminium rails.

it will be a nice enough kitchen once its finished off. a bit more time taking than an ordinary kitchen especially when all the miss measures and other balls ups have been taken into account due to the original design being too big by approx 50mm :angryfire:


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what your looking for is the German true handleless kitchen, pro something I will give it a google...…………


edit. Pronorm https://www.pronorm.de/


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