DIY Forum

 

Ultimate HandymanUltimate Handyman on Pinterest

 

DIY Forum/Home improvement advice forum

 

 

A-Z CONTENTS | DISCLAIMER | DIY VIDEO | HOME | SAFETY FIRST | FORUM RULES

It is currently Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:35 am


Time zone: Europe/London [ DST ]




 

 


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:43 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 14, 2014 2:38 pm
Posts: 412
Location: Derbyshire
Has thanked: 86 times
Been thanked: 58 times
As I understand it, the EU has banned new stock of larger/general halogen bulbs/lamps (except things like capsules and spots) after the end of this month, which means that when stocks are exhausted thats the end of filament/incandescent types for general use. Manufacturers don't seem keen to produce them for the smaller market either - so even after we leave the EU, probably not much difference either way.

Which is all very noble.. 'EXCEPT' (also as I understand it).. there is 'still' no firm standard or regulation of dimming technology for LED bulbs. Most dimmable LED lamps seem able to run on trailing-edge dimmers, but with variable results and mixing and matching brands doesn't always work harmoniously either. Plus, in most existing installations the dimmers will be traditional leading edge types which is bad for most LEDs even if it works, and they also have a minimum load thats frequently too high for LED replacements.

So, when it comes to replacing bulbs or light fittings for customers, it seems many will be in for an extra £17-£25 new dimmer switch at a minimum, as well as the extra price of the bulbs, and possibly all bulbs on a circuit will need replacing to ensure compatibility. And they probably won't dim as nicely as the old ones for all that outlay.

Just wondering what might be the best approach. Is there (for instance) a particularly good value and widely compatible dimmer? Or modestly priced LED bulbs that work with almost any dimmer - and last long enough to justify their price and supposed long term savings; in my experience, only a fraction of LEDs seem to reach their alleged life expectation.

_________________
Kev


Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on Delicious
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:56 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:49 pm
Posts: 10338
Location: Oban
Has thanked: 349 times
Been thanked: 1829 times
The EU can kiss my hairy (and spotty) @rse.

They [tried] to ban filament lamps and we can still get them - they just renamed/reclassified them - and the same will happen with halogens and dimmers.

_________________
sent from my laptop using my fingers - because we REALLY need to know where it's come from.....


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:40 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 14, 2014 2:38 pm
Posts: 412
Location: Derbyshire
Has thanked: 86 times
Been thanked: 58 times
Heh heh, thats certainly one answer :lol:

It will be interesting to see what actually happens in practice; TBH I think its a real mess at the moment. In themselves LEDs are pretty good now (certainly better than CFLs) and I quite like them. BUT little has been done to standardise things properly with respect to dimming or to make them retrospectively compatible (or to regulate claims and specifications etc etc).

Which means lots of people will find that they don't work well or at all for them, so an enforced transition will be received quite badly by many. The alleged cost savings appear to be largely lies too, even for those who can afford the higher up-front purchase price - which not all can by any means.

_________________
Kev


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:01 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:35 pm
Posts: 3522
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 747 times
It's ok for me, I hate dimmer switches :lol:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:08 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:21 pm
Posts: 3292
Location: Kent, Land of Apples and PYO
Has thanked: 65 times
Been thanked: 674 times
The only reason for badly dimming leds are the cheap bulbs with capacitive droppers, tbh the lighting industry has never really standardised much just look at the amount of fittings and bulbs on the market

There are ways around things - eg. vacuum cleaners - they banned the sale of ones over a certain wattage, you can still buy them as dust extractors, the same thing happened with cable colour harmonization - you can still by the red and black with all the BS marks from France of all places


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:21 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:51 pm
Posts: 8188
Has thanked: 415 times
Been thanked: 1546 times
Rorschach wrote:
It's ok for me, I hate dimmer switches :lol:


:withstupid: .........and Halogen lights, especially dozens of downlights dotted around a ceiling, and don't even mention uplights in the floor and plinth lights in kitchens or in stair risers - so many sheeple!

_________________
One day it will all be firewood.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:30 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:35 pm
Posts: 3522
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 747 times
ayjay wrote:
Rorschach wrote:
It's ok for me, I hate dimmer switches :lol:


:withstupid: .........and Halogen lights, especially dozens of downlights dotted around a ceiling, and don't even mention uplights in the floor and plinth lights in kitchens or in stair risers - so many sheeple!


Yeah I like things simple and low maintenance.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:36 am 
Online
Senior Member

Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:03 pm
Posts: 8589
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 1469 times
But if you think about it, you should not dim halogens anyway. So why not have 2 switches, 1 does 1/3 of your down lights, the other does 2/3 of your down lights that way you can have 1/3 or 2/3 or all on just via 2 switches, could do the same for LED lamps too.

_________________
Fret not, a forum is a collection of opinions. Above, are mine.

Which is correct? Metre or Meter? Click the link to find out more.

Working on anything electrical? have you got a multi meter? why not? Would you hit a nail with a shoe?

If gloom had a voice, it would be me. :mrgreen:

:idea1: How to post a picture on this forum Click here


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

 

 




Similar topics
   

Time zone: Europe/London [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Visit Solent plastics


 

 

 

News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
ultimatehandyman privacy policy

Contact

 

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

phpBB SEO