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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:39 pm 
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Hi All
I'm new to this forum, so please forgive me if this has been asked before or I make an error in my posting.
I currently have a 3 way switch that controls 3 different lights. 2 of which also have an secondary switch to control them as well (See image below)

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I have reviewed the wiring to the existing 3 way switch, which has 7 wires connected, with 1 wire capped off.
Total wires = 10
Red wires = 3
Yellow Wires = 2
Blue wires = 2
Black wires= 1
Earth wires = 2 (connected to the back box)

The wires are connected to the existing 3 way switch as shown in the image below:

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However I have noticed on the new 3 way touch switch that I am intending to install, it only has L, L1, L2, L3 terminal connection points (as shown in image below). The switch is a "Lumos 3 way, single gang way switch"

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Please can someone help me wire this new 3 way touch switch up?
I know that "L'" terminal is the "Com" so I have wired all 3 red (live) wires into this terminal. However I'm baffled on the other 3.
The wiring diagram for the new switch doesn't help much. I tired to follow it and connected the wires in the following configuration:

1) all reds in to L
2) yellow 1 into L1
3) yellow 2 into L2
4) black into L3
5) both blues are connected into cable block to each other.

Unfortunately this didn't work. All 3 lights remained on permanently, the new 3 way Lumos switch could not turn them off.

Please help?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:23 am 
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if it only has 3 contacts [plus return]it cannot be more than a 3gang switch as in common and return single switches unless it has electronic switching it cannot be more than one way per gang :dunno:
to save confusion 3gang means 3seperate switched lights which is different completely to 3 way which means control from up to 3 different switches per light
as per you comment "a single gang way" switch it no more than an off on switch per gang and cannot be adapted to multyway use :cb

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I'm confused, your configuration shows two, 2-way and one, 1-way lighting circuits.

But your wiring diagram seems to show only one, 2-way [button 3] if the buttons correspond to light Numbers
then shouldn't button 2 have another wire at L2?
But anyway, the replacement switch wont work, it's 3 gang 1-way.

PS:Have they used a black wire for live on button 1 L1? And is there sleeving on Button 3 L2 or has it been left blue?
It's too late for this type of thinking, I'll probably go "D'oh" in the morning :dunno:


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If you want your lights to work as they did, you have the wrong switch. Your new switch is 3 gang 1 way, you want 3 gang 2 way

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Hi All

Thanks for the informative replies.
I may have got my words mixed up.
You are correct I ordered a 3 gang 1 way. Silly me.
Ok will try to see if I can get it swapped for a 3 gang/ two way to get it to work.
Although might still need help with wiring that.
I’ll let you know.
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Gang = number of switches on plate.
Two way = switch can connect to two different outputs, normally used to work one light from two switches, but could also work two lights from one switch, say "Enter" and "Wait" lights outside an office.
Three way = A switch with three positions so enter, wait and out lights, not seen many flick switches 3 way, normally a rotorary switch.
Intermediate = A switch to allow more than two switches to control a light, so it fits between a pair of two way switches.

With convential two way switching one switch is a master I.e. 5 wires to switch, and one is a slave, I.e. three wires to switch, however with electronic switching the third wire is not always required, and when it is, it is often extra low voltage and you need a matching pair of switches.

Now it seems the switch you show is the slave of the two way pair not the master. Also it depends on the supply, with stair lighting the feed for the stairs may come from a different protection device (fuse, MCB or RCBO) to others in the same switch plate. The electronic switch you show has the same feed for all lights, so may not work even as two way version.

Also in the main electronic switches default off, so consideration has to be taken what happens with a power cut? Old switches when power returns so do lights, with electronic switches when power returns lights stay off.


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ericmark wrote:
Gang = number of switches on plate.
Two way = switch can connect to two different outputs, normally used to work one light from two switches, but could also work two lights from one switch, say "Enter" and "Wait" lights outside an office.
Three way = A switch with three positions so enter, wait and out lights, not seen many flick switches 3 way, normally a rotorary switch.
Intermediate = A switch to allow more than two switches to control a light, so it fits between a pair of two way switches.

With convential two way switching one switch is a master I.e. 5 wires to switch, and one is a slave, I.e. three wires to switch, however with electronic switching the third wire is not always required, and when it is, it is often extra low voltage and you need a matching pair of switches.

Now it seems the switch you show is the slave of the two way pair not the master. Also it depends on the supply, with stair lighting the feed for the stairs may come from a different protection device (fuse, MCB or RCBO) to others in the same switch plate. The electronic switch you show has the same feed for all lights, so may not work even as two way version.

Also in the main electronic switches default off, so consideration has to be taken what happens with a power cut? Old switches when power returns so do lights, with electronic switches when power returns lights stay off.


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Two way refers to switch, not type of wiring, to ask for a three way switch will not get you a switch suitable for having three switches to work one lamp, you need an intermediate switch.

Also electronic switch wiring is not the same as simple switch wiring, with electronic switches a modern car can work all the rear lights with just two wires. With house wiring you can now get wireless switches, so you can have one light controlled by many switches with only two wires to master switch.

As a result giving instructions for electronic switches to replace simple switches should be left to the manufacturer, as the wiring can change make to make.


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ericmark wrote:
Two way refers to switch, not type of wiring, to ask for a three way switch will not get you a switch suitable for having three switches to work one lamp, you need an intermediate switch.

Also electronic switch wiring is not the same as simple switch wiring, with electronic switches a modern car can work all the rear lights with just two wires. With house wiring you can now get wireless switches, so you can have one light controlled by many switches with only two wires to master switch.

As a result giving instructions for electronic switches to replace simple switches should be left to the manufacturer, as the wiring can change make to make.


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