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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:43 pm 
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No jokes about how bad this toilet looks...it's dreadful I know!

It's an old one as you can see, and I just have a few questions before looking for a new one and contacting a plumber for a quote to install.

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1. If the main cold water feed pipe was shortened, will I struggle to find a modern toilet which takes the feed from the underside of the cistern?

2. I honestly don't know what role this pipe has - is it an overflow of sorts? Haven't ever seen an output on a new toilet which would connect to such a thing. Could a plumber simply decommission this?

3. The house is 60s, and so the waste pipe feeds straight into the excellently designed 'through the middle of the house soil pipe' - will it be an issue for a plumber fitting a new toilet to fit a 90 degree pipe to connect on to this/replace?

Every wall except the soil pipe side is a stud wall. Any recommendations for toilet styles, so that I don't have to worry about the cistern weight on the stud? Is a traditional style out? The modern, sleek toilets can probably facilitate the weight issue, but they're so diabolically poor in terms of flush power, that I'm not a fan of them.

I know these are no doubt simple questions for the well-educated, but I'm not educated in toilets or plumbing. Ergo!

Many thanks.


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I am NOT a plumber but we have a "modern" toilet that has its waterfill under the cistern (Like what you want) depends which model you opt for as to where its fill is. (I hate the press button toilets)

Pipe 2 is the overflow. The new cistern would have to be level or higher than this or a new hole through the wall. Although some, not all discharge into the main bowl, so no extra side pipe required.

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No 3 is your problem.

Many toilets with the cistern on top of them will sit nearer the wall. Cold feed from the bottom of the cistern. No need for overflow ... (I think ... can't remember if I fitted one on mine, Ideal Standard). So you are left with the outlet that is already too far forward. Perhaps a good plumber can make the outlet run parallel to the back wall, through the wall and connect it from there on... whatever is on the other side of the wall.

For example see https://www.ideal-standard.co.uk/produc ... bowls.html and try to pick a shape you like (not one that goes flash to the back wall) and talk to your plumber.

PS. I see the right wall seems to have a panel for the down pipe already there, good and bad :-(


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As an aside, if it were me, I would keep that toilet. Why? Because when the flush mechanism (Siphon) fails, it will be a doodle to change as the cistern can stay where it is, and you can take off the pipe that feeds the bowl and just change the siphon. New toilets are called close coupled as the cistern sits on the bowl which means to change the siphon you have to (try) and get the cistern (in one piece) off the wall as well as getting it off the bowl. keep yours.

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As an aside, if it were me, I would keep that toilet. Why? Because when the flush mechanism (Siphon) fails, it will be a doodle to change as the cistern can stay where it is, and you can take off the pipe that feeds the bowl and just change the siphon. New toilets are called close coupled as the cistern sits on the bowl which means to change the siphon you have to (try) and get the cistern (in one piece) off the wall as well as getting it off the bowl. keep yours.
You may prefer one of these. No need for a cistern and if you must a bucket is good enough. No overflow problems either.


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You may prefer one of these. No need for a cistern and if you must a bucket is good enough. No overflow problems either.



nah, we have floorboards, not deep enough for one of them

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1. not a issue, just adjust the pipe work to suit

2. its a over flow, its not needed for modern cisterns

3. a number of options, replace like for like - build a box section so you can mount the CC cistern to it - a right hand entry pan (can be expensive)

How far is that waste pipe away from the wall ??

edit, do you have a pic of the waste pipe on the other side of the wall ?


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What Bob said. In a not dissimilar situation I found that building a dwarf stud wall overcame the issue with the waste which would have been much more expensive and time consuming to relocate.

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I did a similar thing for my grandparents many years ago but that was a in floor clay and the CC cistern only had to come 2" forward

from the pic it may need to come forward 4-8", depending on the pipe work the other side of the wall it may make sense to move the pipe


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