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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:08 am 
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Planning to tile over the exsisting tiles in my kitchen , the old ones are all in good shape no holea or cracks in site, ive gave them a good clean and tried to hand with one of them hand held power sanders a vibration one not rotating with meduim sand paper and its not even touched the glaze on the tiles , is it just a case of upping to coarse paper or do i need a rotation aander


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Pee91 wrote:
Planning to tile over the exsisting tiles in my kitchen , the old ones are all in good shape no holea or cracks in site, ive gave them a good clean and tried to hand with one of them hand held power sanders a vibration one not rotating with meduim sand paper and its not even touched the glaze on the tiles , is it just a case of upping to coarse paper or do i need a rotation aander
Why do you want to sand tiles? Do it correctly and remove the old ones, you'll save a lot of grief in the long run

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To tile over them , i dont want to remove the old tiles and risk having to have the walls re plastered


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If you must tile over tiles (not recommended) then a sander isn't going to help. An old blunt chisel or similar can be used to score through the ceramic surface of the tiles to provide a key for the new addy.

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Also check the flatness of the existing tiled surface and consider if the extra depth may cause you any problems. The existing tile's bond (and wall etc) will now need to support a lot more weight than it previously has done, so be 'very' sure it is up to the job, and if the existing tiles are laid on tiles, think twice before adding a third layer. Don't use PVA anywhere, unless your adhesive manufacturer specifically requires it for the application.

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Kev888 wrote:
Don't use PVA anywhere, unless your adhesive manufacturer specifically requires it for the application.


The only addy manu I know of that specifies PVA as a primer is unibond for their ready mixed addy. It's pants with or without PVA...

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From what ive researched it seemed like it was pretty standard practice, but you guys are putting me off the idea slightly , i take it painting over them would look crap? There in really good shape just outdated, is there any other options that arent going to take alot of time? In the bathroom the walls are like a vinyl/plastic granite look panels is there something like this i could use


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Tiling over tiles is a bodge. It was done a lot fifteen years or so ago, I did it myself and always regretted it not because it looks naff, I just know it is there. These days SDS drills are cheap and it makes chipping the tiles off dead easy with the chisel action. The trick is to strike the edge of the tile rather than dig under and lever off. I did a kitchen tile removal for my cousin recently and the wall was relatively undamaged and he was able to re tile without a load of remedial.

Have a look at https://www.screwfix.com/p/titan-ttb278 ... 240v/97533 and https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p65778 ... s%20chisel

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I'm perhaps a bit too negative, due to having seen the results of tiling-on-tile where they weren't up to it. New tiles can be quite expensive and take a while to do, so if their foundations are poor it can really be a false economy.

But if the conditions are right and if it is done well, then I admit it can give quite acceptable results. It is just less ideal and not helpful the next time tiling is needed. But there can sometimes be good reason to do it.

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Ive decided im going to go for it weighing up my options and time available its looking like my best bet , going to try a grinder with something like a linishing disk to get the glaze off the exsiting tiles , ill update with the outcome


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Pee91 wrote:
going to try a grinder with something like a linishing disk to get the glaze off the exsiting tiles


Wear a proper dust mask, with a particulate filter. There can be nasty stuff in ceramic glazes, possibly not so bad with clear glazes but I wouldn't want to speculate about the commercially made stuff.

Lead bisilicate frit is one possibility, the health risk for handling and using it in its raw state is considered insignificant if proper precautions are taken but no-one making ceramics is likely to be grinding it off once it's been fired, that's a whole new ball game.

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