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 Post subject: Self Driving Cars
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:55 pm 
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Would you want to purchase or own one?

One aspect of them that doesn't seem to get much coverage is the need for subsidies - either in the purchase of them (I guess) or, more likely, the need for various changes to the infrastructure to allow them to operate safely.

Jeremey Clarkson was closer to the mark when he said that he'd buy an autonomous car when he felt safe enough to travel in one that could negotiate the most dangerous road in the world (referring to a mountainside track with 1,000ft+ drop on one side and no passing places!).

I don't doubt that such vehicles will eventually proliferate but the hype surrounding them at the moment is well in excess of their actual ability and the rate at which they might be introduced. The 3D TV's of the motor world.....

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Roll on I need one now :lol:

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I 'd have no worries about using one to travel on a road with a tho u s a n


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Yes but only when they are able to completely drive themselves and require no human input.


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Not for me. When I'm too old to drive I'll take a taxi. For a couple of trips a week it's probably cheaper than running a car.

That's not for everyone obviously. When my m-i-l had to stop driving we found a taxi firm in her town that would take oap-s anywhere in town for £3. (It's not a tiny place either, pop.50,000).

She wouldn't use them, "They were Indians". :roll:

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I wouldn't be considering one at anytime in the near future simply because the vehicle I've currently got has many more years left in it. As a concept it does sound very clever although in many respects it is something of an evolutionary dead end in my opinion . Probably great if you already have ten points on your licence and know a self driving car won't speed or jump red lights but as congestion and volume of traffic are fairly serious problems it's hard to see how an autonomous vehicle would impact those problems to any degree.

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Yes but only when they are able to completely drive themselves and require no human input.

The subject has come up on another forum and an ethical question posed. Completely removing human input means of course every decision is made by the computer and that at some point would include a life and death decision , who dies , the occupants of the car or the group of pedestrians ?


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A touch of self-driving car amusement: https://xkcd.com/1925/


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Grendel wrote:
I wouldn't be considering one at anytime in the near future simply because the vehicle I've currently got has many more years left in it. As a concept it does sound very clever although in many respects it is something of an evolutionary dead end in my opinion . Probably great if you already have ten points on your licence and know a self driving car won't speed or jump red lights but as congestion and volume of traffic are fairly serious problems it's hard to see how an autonomous vehicle would impact those problems to any degree.

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Yes but only when they are able to completely drive themselves and require no human input.

The subject has come up on another forum and an ethical question posed. Completely removing human input means of course every decision is made by the computer and that at some point would include a life and death decision , who dies , the occupants of the car or the group of pedestrians ?


Regarding traffic, autonomous cars will reduce congestion significantly, the vast majority of congestion is caused by poor driving and accidents.

With regards to the ethics, not sure at the moment. Pedestrians might be a lot more careful if they knew the cars would run them over though :lol:


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Reducing traffic congestion will NEVER happen even when ALL cars are autonomous. It only takes ONE car to stop (accident, deliberate etc) for traffic jams to occur and you can't automate a zero-accident, zero-stoppage scenario - ever. Same as now with driven cars.

When people realise that they simply can't be run over by a car they'll just step out into the road whenever they feel like it to cross! Instant congestion.

Another fake news 'advantage' that self-driving car supporters promote.

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You'll never eliminate congestion of course, but you will reduce it. Less accidents = less traffic jams. A lot of non-accident congestion is caused by people driving too fast towards road works or rubber necking at accidents.


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Perhaps I could have been clearer. I think self driving cars would have an effect on congestion on motorways and main roads in that it should make traffic flow more smoothly in the same way as variable speed limits do at the moment. I'm less convinced that in built up areas it would have anywhere near as much effect , partly as said because of the diverse hazards and problems that would be encountered be mainly because there would only be the same amount of road and possibly because there are likely to be more cars on those roads..
It seems to me that whilst it's all very clever it comes under the heading of "technogoly will save us , technology is the answer to everything" . Still I think we'll see them soon enough , especially when manufactures gear up to building them in quantity and lobby governments to push the technology.


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I'd actually like them if they ever work properly and are safe. Apart from anything else it'll get the stupid gits who think they are great drivers into something where they can't demonstrate their "skills" to the rest of us.
I'd also like to see a tough assessment for people who want the privilege to drive non autonomous cars, with permit removal for people misbehaving.

Now I'm off down to the unicorn stables to feed them on the myths I've just created!


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I want a car that is basically like having my own taxi. I can go out to the pub or a to a friends, have a drink, get driven home. If I am out and stuck for a lift or getting off a train for example, use my phone to call my car to come pick me up. Missus wants to go out with her girlfriends, no problem, I can go out for a drink too and the car can pick us both up, or I can go to bed and she can call the car when she is ready, no more waiting up for me (I don't trust the local taxis when it comes to young petite drunk girls, I pick her and any friends up myself)


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Rorschach wrote:
I want a car that is basically like having my own taxi. I can go out to the pub or a to a friends, have a drink, get driven home. If I am out and stuck for a lift or getting off a train for example, use my phone to call my car to come pick me up. Missus wants to go out with her girlfriends, no problem, I can go out for a drink too and the car can pick us both up, or I can go to bed and she can call the car when she is ready, no more waiting up for me (I don't trust the local taxis when it comes to young petite drunk girls, I pick her and any friends up myself)

That's just what I want as well!
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If that same car could be electric with a 400ish mile range, that would suit me fine too.


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