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 Post subject: Decorating post 2010
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7 years on and what a transformation our trade has undertaken in terms of products and tools.

I've been looking at twitter and it's quite staggering how many paints are now available.

Question is, is there now too much choice? You could find a product that really suits, but still be tempted to keep trying different things.

It's a great time to be in the trade, but I'm finding calling Farrow and Ball customers "paint snobs" has become a dim and distant memory.

Lots of decorators have gone all "Lawrence Llewellyn" on us, and it seems the thing to move as far away from standard trade paints and tools as possible.

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I used to know what paint to use on what surface - now I find myself looking them up on the internet to see what I should be using...
The result is that I am often wondering just how a product will work, and as a matter of habit use a bridging primer 'just in case'

Not so sure we are moving forward in terms of me knowing my trade...



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your right about to much choice..I've been using the same trade paint for years with only a few problems.But now there's so many different options it's hard to keep up with it all..I've been told BM paints are the best at the moment..Next year it could be someone else.


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fitzy wrote:
7 years on and what a transformation our trade has undertaken in terms of products and tools.

I've been looking at twitter and it's quite staggering how many paints are now available.

Question is, is there now too much choice? You could find a product that really suits, but still be tempted to keep trying different things.

It's a great time to be in the trade, but I'm finding calling Farrow and Ball customers "paint snobs" has become a dim and distant memory.

Lots of decorators have gone all "Lawrence Llewellyn" on us, and it seems the thing to move as far away from standard trade paints and tools as possible.

Double edged sword.







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First I would state that I am not a decorator. . .
But as always having had an interest in the trade; I do wonder if you as tradesmen still find a demand for traditional skills such as:-
Rag rolling - Graining and such!

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I do wonder if you as tradesmen still find a demand for traditional skills such as:-
Rag rolling - Graining and such!


In (nearly) ten years I have never been asked for it.


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i learnt to do wood graining,marbling.guilding & sign writing back in college 20 years ago & have never been asked to do it..They are such a specialist skill.I'm sure there are companies out there that do it.


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Post 2010 has been brilliant IMHO. The following are examples that spring to mind

    1. Water-based paint. The obvious choice, but once you make the switch, there's no going back. I think if they fixed oil tomorrow, I'd still go WB.

    2. Dustless Sanding. I use a Ceros on every occasion possible. Makes a better job, less effort, faster, and healthier for you and the client. That 915 extractor is a heavy sod to hump up stairs though. :shock:

    3. Synthetic brushes. They're not post 2010 strictly speaking, but there are some utter gems to be had which are a joy to use WB finishes with.

    4. Choice. I love it! You do need to pay attention to all the variations and options available to keep abreast, but there's a paint for every occasion these days. You also learn (with a bit of practice/trial and error) which paint and brush combos work best.

    5. Plastic kettles. Who remembers the joy of standing round a fire burning out 30 metal kettles, then sealing them. :puke: Awful job!

Inevitably some of the traditional stuff has fallen by the wayside, but that's the natural evolution of the trade. I've not done any graining, signing or ragging in nearly 15 years, though rag-rolling was apparently very popular during the war on account of the absence of available wallpaper. It was essentially a substitute for something you couldn't get. I miss mixing my own colours I have to say. There was something very therapeutic about that.

And who remembers using Glutenglass.................. :wtf: was that stuff about? :lol: :lol:

Good Old Days my :pottytrain2:

Change is good. Mostly :salute:

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davyp1 wrote:
fitzy wrote:
7 years on and what a transformation our trade has undertaken in terms of products and tools.

I've been looking at twitter and it's quite staggering how many paints are now available.

Question is, is there now too much choice? You could find a product that really suits, but still be tempted to keep trying different things.

It's a great time to be in the trade, but I'm finding calling Farrow and Ball customers "paint snobs" has become a dim and distant memory.

Lots of decorators have gone all "Lawrence Llewellyn" on us, and it seems the thing to move as far away from standard trade paints and tools as possible.

Double edged sword.







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First I would state that I am not a decorator. . .
But as always having had an interest in the trade; I do wonder if you as tradesmen still find a demand for traditional skills such as:-
Rag rolling - Graining and such!

davyp1

Nor distemper or whitewash.

Those sorts of finishes are only worth learning if you are going to work for the National Trust or "aging" pubs and eateries etc, otherwise you'll probably never get to practice them.

I have experience in fibrous plasterwork, anaglypta superdurable, artex and woodchip, but never get asked for any of these either.


I think we've come a long from the "old school master decorators" of old to the current crop that are pioneers in terms of tools and paints.

There are though, some left in the middle that don't fit into either category.





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Novamura! :huray: Possibly the original paste the wall paper?

The new methods and tools are here to stay, and hanging onto the older ways seems a bit pointless in many ways. That said, surface filling and wet sanding are a good base for the new WB finishes, so old and new mix well there.

Decorative Effects are taught on Year 1 of the SVQ up here, but Paperhanging is left for Advanced Craft, which not all employers send their apprentices on. A whole generation stands to miss out on one of the fundamentals of the decorating trade, yet are being taught something they will never likely be required to do. ::b ::b ::b

Not all progess, sadly. :sad:

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dynamod wrote:
Post 2010 has been brilliant IMHO. The following are examples that spring to mind

    1. Water-based paint. The obvious choice, but once you make the switch, there's no going back. I think if they fixed oil tomorrow, I'd still go WB.

    2. Dustless Sanding. I use a Ceros on every occasion possible. Makes a better job, less effort, faster, and healthier for you and the client. That 915 extractor is a heavy sod to hump up stairs though. :shock:

    3. Synthetic brushes. They're not post 2010 strictly speaking, but there are some utter gems to be had which are a joy to use WB finishes with.

    4. Choice. I love it! You do need to pay attention to all the variations and options available to keep abreast, but there's a paint for every occasion these days. You also learn (with a bit of practice/trial and error) which paint and brush combos work best.

    5. Plastic kettles. Who remembers the joy of standing round a fire burning out 30 metal kettles, then sealing them. :puke: Awful job!

Inevitably some of the traditional stuff has fallen by the wayside, but that's the natural evolution of the trade. I've not done any graining, signing or ragging in nearly 15 years, though rag-rolling was apparently very popular during the war on account of the absence of available wallpaper. It was essentially a substitute for something you couldn't get. I miss mixing my own colours I have to say. There was something very therapeutic about that.

And who remembers using Glutenglass.................. :wtf: was that stuff about? :lol: :lol:

Good Old Days my :pottytrain2:

Change is good. Mostly :salute:


Ratcliffe's Glutenglass, that brings back memories. Got me out of a hole more than once, great for holding back damp stains. Ratcliffe's also made styptic white knotting, it was our equivalent of zin bin back then, I wonder if these products are still going?



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A couple of years ago, despite my vociferous objections, I was asked to hang ready-pasted wallpaper on a feature wall. It had a shiny silver patter on it. Despite following the manufacturer's instructions to the letter, including soaking it in a bath of water in lieu of not having one of the proper troughs, all the joins curled and wouldn't stick down. My customer happily accepted the responsibility, paid me, and said he would take it up with the manufacturer. The next time I went there to decorate another room he said he had received his money back plus compensation to "pay the decorator to strip it off and hang different wallpaper". Instead of hanging new paper he showed me where he has stuck all the joins down with some glue that he brought home from work! About a quarter of the joins had lifted again but he wasn't bothered.


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A couple of years ago, despite my vociferous objections, I was asked to hang ready-pasted wallpaper on a feature wall. It had a shiny silver patter on it. Despite following the manufacturer's instructions to the letter, including soaking it in a bath of water in lieu of not having one of the proper troughs, all the joins curled and wouldn't stick down. My customer happily accepted the responsibility, paid me, and said he would take it up with the manufacturer. The next time I went there to decorate another room he said he had received his money back plus compensation to "pay the decorator to strip it off and hang different wallpaper". Instead of hanging new paper he showed me where he has stuck all the joins down with some glue that he brought home from work! About a quarter of the joins had lifted again but he wasn't bothered.

We used to hang lots of it when it was still popular. Best way was to paste as normal but with a thin mix and it would behave like a normal vinyl.



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dynamod wrote:

Inevitably some of the traditional stuff has fallen by the wayside, I miss mixing my own colours I have to say. There was something very therapeutic about that.
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I'm not a decorator myself although I worked closely with some old boys who were good old school types . They would mix up colours and it's something I had learnt from them . I hadn't done any for a while but recently wanted to tint some paints . I had a few tubes of various colours but was missing some and tried to source some more. I did eventually find something similar on eBay but it seems that our local suppliers don't tend to carry tinting products nowadays.


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Haven't seen ready pasted vinyl for ages, but thin paste with the drop slightly overbooked to relax the edges normally made it behave.

Old paper Anaglypta could be a bit of a sore head on long drops.

Copydex on corners. Had to keep it off the face or it yellowed.

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