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This glorious multicoloured affair is in my mums old house, just getting it ready to rent out for the second time. As far as I remember this quarter bowl has always leaked and mum had plumbers attempt to fix it twice when she was alive. But having started to take the thing apart by unscrewing the strainer it seems to hold water just by luck, there is no visible seal between the metal and the plastic. Is this normal or is a seal missing - if so I'd have expected somewhere for it to actually sit. It leaks with the plug in so its getting under the strainer and out the side...


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You need a gasket. They are cheap see one of these http://www.diy.com/departments/plumbsur ... 380_BQ.prd

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Thanks - I was sure it needed something other than air!


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If you use the above kit, the thin white washer goes between the waste fitting and the top of the sink, the black rubber washer goes taper side up between the back-nut and the underside of the sink, and the white plastic collar goes between the back-nut and the black rubber washer, flange side up.

Alternatively, make up a thin "sausage" of Plumber's Mait and use that instead of the white washer between underside of waste fitting and top surface of sink.



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I've taken it apart completely now. There is nowhere for the rubber washer to go. The plastic under the bowl is basically a flat dish with the waste pipe from the centre and there was a fibre (?) 'washer' (pic) on top of that. Top side the strainer has a bolt that holds it all together. No room for rubber washers or owt like that. There is evidence of a rather poor attempt at a plumbers mait sausage, only managing half a circle.


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Looks like the link DWD gave you is for a basin waste rather than a sink waste. (Basin wastes tend to be smaller)

What size is the hole in the sink with the gubbins removed ?

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wine~o wrote:

What size is the hole in the sink with the gubbins removed ?


The centre (dirty!) part of the 'washer' fits the hole, so about 9cm. I'll probably be there tomorrow so I can measure things better if needed.


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Is the flange on the pipework bigger than the recess? If so it's not going to seal unless the washer is thicker than the depth of the recess. You need a seal (as in it needs to be watertight) both sides of the sink itself with that type by the look of it.

Last time I was trying to fit a washbasin waste, it wouldn't seal with the provided washers, wouldn't seal with plumber's mait either.
Looking online I found something called "Plumber's Gold" it did the waste no problem. It seems good stuff.
I haven't tried it on a sink like that, but I might be tempted if I couldn't get it to seal with the rubber seals


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idkhow2diy wrote:
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What size is the hole in the sink with the gubbins removed ?


The centre (dirty!) part of the 'washer' fits the hole, so about 9cm. I'll probably be there tomorrow so I can measure things better if needed.


deffo get the actual measurement then. Sounds like this side of the sink had at one time a "waste disposal" which has been removed. Different size of washer needed (3 and a 1/2 inch waste IIRC.)

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Dave54 wrote:
Is the flange on the pipework bigger than the recess? If so it's not going to seal unless the washer is thicker than the depth of the recess.


The flange is bigger yes, by the amount at the edge of the washer in the third pic. But (and not being there) it has a lip too that the washer fits into. Then the raised centre of the washer goes thru the hole in the metal and meets the flat of the metal strainer, all then bolted together. It seems all too easy for this washer to flatten out too much and let water out. Why not use a large o-ring or something.

I wonder if the design is such that one can mount a food disposal under it instead of the drain as is... otherwise it seems badly engineered to my simple brain. Or maybe just the hole and a bucket which would be more effective right now!


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wine~o wrote:
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deffo get the actual measurement then. Sounds like this side of the sink had at one time a "waste disposal" which has been removed.


Ah - well it never had one but I did wonder. Ok I'll measure absolutely everything tomorrow hopefully. I've got a couple of weeks to get the house sorted yet...


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AS w-o says it's a waste disposal sized hole.
I'd get a new complete fitting for it. After measuring.


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Dave54 wrote:
AS w-o says it's a waste disposal sized hole.
I'd get a new complete fitting for it. After measuring.


Can't be 100% on that just yet.. but may be the case ?

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wine~o wrote:
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AS w-o says it's a waste disposal sized hole.
I'd get a new complete fitting for it. After measuring.


Can't be 100% on that just yet.. but may be the case ?


I should have said "Probably" :oops:

As far as leaking goes, the flange on the standard sized one on the sink here was slightly warped which was causing it to leak even with new washers. A replacement waste cured it.


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I reckon that's what is needed here... however best to get the right size otherwise... :hiding:

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