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Hi All,

As you can tell I've just joined the forum. I'm a keen DIY'er and a Motorcycle technician by trade, so am very hands on. I've just decided to rip out my En Suite and fit with all new lovely stuff. Bigger shower enclosure, tiles walls/floor, combo vanity unit, towel rail etc.

I pretty much have everything sorted on how and what to do. However, I have a couple of fundamental preparation questions that you all might be able to help with?

1) I will be overboarding the ceiling. However, when the house was built the plasterboard ceilings were put up first, following by the stud walls and plasterboard walls. Because of this, one length of the new plasterboard ceiling will not fall on a ceiling joist. Which will leave an overhang (600mm centres) of roughly 450mm. In this situation, how is best to resolve this?
2) I'm planning on tiling all the walls. However one wall is internal brick and the plasterboard was dot dab. I have read a lot on forum that you should not tile onto a dot dab plasterboard. However, I have already removed one section of plasterboard that already had tiles on. They have been on there for over 13 years without falling off, so is dot dab actually fine to tile on?

Any help would be appreciated and I'm sure I will have a few more questions as the project (hopefully) progresses.

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Can't you go into the attic and put some noggins in? Or cut the plasterboard where the nearest Centre is then put up another piece of plasterboard to the next joist?

Regarding the tiles on dot and dabb, this should be OK but just check it for stability. To make sure you could always put some mechanical fixings through the plasterboard into the wall behind.

I don't see why you can't tile a d/d plasterboard Walls, I have with no issues!

As I said if you want to be double sure put some fixings in.
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Dot'n'dab should always have mechanical fixings. So long as you are not fitting heavy natural stone tiles then you'll be fine.

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Dot n dab of normal sheets of plasterboard(of 12.5 or 15mm thickness) doesn't require any mechanical fixings at all. The bagged adhesive you mix up gets an amazing hold. The dry fix that can be squirted out of a expanding foam gun applicator is great as well,requires no mechanical fixings but is slightly trickier to use.


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The new ceiling plasterboard will butt up/hit the wall plasterboard fitted to the stud wall. Will cutting the top of the stud wall plasterboard be a solution. So then the ceiling plasterboard can be slotted on top and then supported by the stud wall plasterboard. I won't be able to screw it in anywhere tho.


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matt.1986 wrote:
The new ceiling plasterboard will butt up/hit the wall plasterboard fitted to the stud wall. Will cutting the top of the stud wall plasterboard be a solution. So then the ceiling plasterboard can be slotted on top and then supported by the stud wall plasterboard. I won't be able to screw it in anywhere tho.

Go in the attic and put a couple of timber dwangs/noggins in to enable you to screw the ceiling board to. It's a simple enough job.


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OK, will do.

In the shower area, what is best. Aquapanel or moisture resistance plasterboard with tanking. I need to use for dab method, but the majority of tile backer boards don't recommend it.


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Green moisture resistant plasterboard is ample.


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Thanks for your help.


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No More Ply is awesome much better than moisture resistant stuff plus use it with mega strength glue to seal all the joints. 25 year guarantee I think.

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No More Ply is awesome much better than moisture resistant stuff plus use it with mega strength glue to seal all the joints. 25 year guarantee I think.

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Depends what your budget is. I've ripped out countless bathrooms/en suits over the last 20 odd years and nearly every one that's been done professionally has had plasterboard as a substrate and has been bone dry behind the tiles.


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Another quick question.

My shower tray will end on a vertical plasterboard joint. Which will mean the shower enclosure will be screwed in/around the joint into the stud. Is this OK or shall just remove the plasterboard and put new up but move the joint?


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matt.1986 wrote:
Another quick question.

My shower tray will end on a vertical plasterboard joint. Which will mean the shower enclosure will be screwed in/around the joint into the stud. Is this OK or shall just remove the plasterboard and put new up but move the joint?


It'll be fine.


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Thanks Stevie.

All these little things make you think twice as a DIY'er, but are second nature to a professional. There is no replacement for experience....


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I also need to rip up a section of T&C 18mm chipboard flooring to run some new pipework to a new towel rail. I'm planning on using a circular saw with a 18mm depth guage to cut around the section of board. When I replace it, can I just replace it like for like? Again, my concern is that the new T&C wont have anything to slot into and when I screw it down there will be a gap round the edge and/or it wont be fully supported.


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