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 Post subject: Hotpoint Grill Fumes
PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:46 pm 
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Anybody, preferably a Hotpoint engineer, out there who can stop me panicking?? (doesn't take much to set me off!! ) I accidentally closed the grill door and left it on for about 20/30 mins whilst I was in another room eating my lunch. The house filled with horrible smoke and fumes. I opened all the doors and windows till it had all gone away. However, I am now panicking that I have harmed myself in some way, It didn't make me cough or anything just gave me a slight headache at the time. This has now gone. I phoned Hotpoint who were a complete waste of time. I know that you are supposed to leave the grill door open when cooking but having said that, it is written in small writing on the inside of the grill. Surely if this is dangerous it ought to be a bit more prominent? Anyone know what these grills are made of and what exactly are the risks ?


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I should not worry as the smell is probably some fat burning off with the heat and the insulation and door seals getting a bit warm and ponging a bit. There are no noxious fumes likely in my opinion from a bit of metal heating up. Just let it cool and then try it out to see that the element still works okay.

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i personally doubt you will have caused you body any long term damage if any at all
the manufacturers know theres a risk so will use materials fit for purpose and safe for the predicted possible accidents :dunno:

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Thanks! I'm glad about that, I would like to stay around for Christmas!! :-)
I was wondering if the insulation and door seals etc. were made up of toxic materials but as it is also a top oven, I don't suppose that make sense?
The instructions are to use the oven with the door closed and to use the grill with it open. It was just such a vile, eye watering air polluting experience!!
I intend to put a big sign on it myself! It will take me ages to get rid of the smell! :sad:


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sheilamary3 wrote:
The instructions are to use the oven with the door closed and to use the grill with it open.


I wasn't sure what sort of grill you meant from your first post, but as it's a grill/top oven that's much clearer.

I also have a Hotpoint double oven with a grill in the top oven - it won't close if you're using the grill (and grill pan) cos the handle sticks out.

If you left the grill pan in there then the handle has probably burnt, that will smell awful.

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Gas or electric?

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I doubt you have done any damage, our Neff oven specifically states you can use the grill with the door closed if you want to.


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Razor wrote:
Gas or electric?


I thought gas grills had to cut off when the door was closed ???

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Mine is electric Wine O.


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sheilamary3 wrote:
Mine is electric Wine O.


I thought it would be as you posted in the "Electrics forum" :wink:

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Think its affected my brain!! :lol: :lol:


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Closed door grilling works well, both at mothers and at home we can select closed door grilling, the oven fan works with closed door grilling so instead of turning food many times while grilling you only turn it once as fan gets heat under the food as well as on top.

The top oven at home does not have a fan so you have to use bottom oven for closed door grilling. We have a 12 position selector switch with options including fan only to cool down food before it goes in fridge, heat at back (fan always works), heat at bottom, heat at top, with and without fan and combinations.

In essence returning to the old days of solid fuel where you could pull dampers in and out to direct the flue gases to different areas of the oven. The problem is other than the book which came with the cooker, there is very little in cook books to tell you how to use the oven. Since Mrs Beeton lived before gas I thought they would have damper setting, but it seems some one has re-written them and removed the solid fuel instructions and put in the daft gas marks instead.


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ericmark wrote:
Closed door grilling works well


My sausages suffer with claustrophobia: they have told me that they'll refuse to turn brown if close the door on them.

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The stand alone cooker oven will use multi elements it has a 32A supply and works well, the built in oven has a 13A supply and uses time sharing between elements and is no where near as good.

It seems stand alone cookers are better cookers than having a hob and built in oven. One huge advantage with stand alone is the use of knobs. No reason why hobs don't have knobs, but is seems most have cheap and nasty touch controls, it took us ages to find one with knobs for my mother.

With touch controls it takes longer to adjust heat, by which time food has boiled over, and the display often can't be seen at the eye angle of a wheel chair user or child, I seen no advantage of touch controls specially with an induction hob, they must be cheaper than knobs?

It just seems stand alone cookers are better made, including the outer wall cooling fans, insulation tends to be better more heat goes into food, less into the kitchen. Worst is gas of course where CO2, moisture, and excess heat is pumped into the kitchen meaning you need air conditioning units to remove the heat. But also some electric cookers are not much better. I have moved from home with an induction hob to mothers with a halogen hob, and it is so slow, I expect 1 litre of water to boil in around 3 minutes even without boost, mothers looking at 10 minutes it is really slow.

But all makes there are good and bad models, we have always used Belling, first one a slim line 1970's was a flop, the fan oven was designed so you still had a wide oven, we blamed the fan oven design for burnt food, but it turned out to be simply a faulty thermostat, second 1980 again Belling was a really good stove, ceramic hob was a pain at times to keep clean, but it worked well until 2008 when we replaced it with one that looked nearly the same, the oven shelves were a problem they could come right out, there was no built in splash back, and no cover over the knobs. However on the plus side there were loads of built in safety features like auto switch off if you left it switched on for and extended time, and auto switch off and back on when you removed the pan and still put heat in pan when tilted slightly, no need for ground base. Also does need a base which a magnet will stick to, not stainless steel that's not magnetic.

So the simple oven on with temperature scale on knob was replaced with two knobs, temperature and selection. As said bottom oven has 12 options, however what is sadly missing is books to show one how to use the new features. But closed door grilling is one feature we use a lot.


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Thanks all for your replies. I have found the handle and it will serve as a reminder not to do that again! I agree that the the stand alone cookers are better but I rent my home and the landlady only put this in last year. Its OK as long as I follow all the instructions! However,I still feel they should have stressed this open grill door more than they do in the instructions provided.It is potentially dangerous.


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