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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:23 pm 
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Does anyone of you learned people know who makes cabinet doors for Howdens? I am trying to source the bits to make a couple of custom size Howdens Tewkesbury cabinet doors for my Howdens kitchen. Unfortunately, Howdens don't sell the door size i need. I already contacted joiners to get a quote for custom size door and that turned out to be very expensive as i expected because hand making a matching door can be labour intensive.

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No idea.

Regardless they (the manufacturer) will make the doors to howdens specs and sizes.. they might make other ranges and sizes for other retailers..but the chances are they won't be the right dimensions for your cabinets either.

Care to share the measurements of the doors you do need ??

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try BA Kitchen components, its a huge factory who make doors, blanks, panels for a lot of the resellers - not sure they'd make you a few bits as a one off but they may manufacture the same profile sold by someone else under a different title like Canterbury or something like that.

ive got a few other names written down i'll try to dig them out...

IIRC a lot of this is made over in huge factories in ireland but cant recall names at the mo.


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I remember reading in investors chronicle that howdens is the biggest kitchen manufacturer in the U.K. So I suppose they probably make it themselves.


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They look easy enough to copy. You can make them up using different thicknesses of MDF to make up the profile. The 'frame' parts could be just stuck on strips of thinner material. The 'celebrated' joint lines would be formed by a router but you could cut them with a hand saw at a pinch. You will need a hinge mortice cutter bit for the cup hinges but they are only around £8.

Take a door to a Johnstones Decorating Centre and they will match the colour up with a suitable paint.

You can do this, give us a closer picture of the door front and back and we can guide you through how to do it. :thumbright:

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wine~o wrote:
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No idea.

Regardless they (the manufacturer) will make the doors to howdens specs and sizes.. they might make other ranges and sizes for other retailers..but the chances are they won't be the right dimensions for your cabinets either.

Care to share the measurements of the doors you do need ??
I am looking to get the bits to make the custom size doors rather than get them to sell a made up cabinet door. This may not be possible but i thought I'd give it a go. The doors dimensions are 1. 704mm X 600mm and 2. 545mm X 600mm


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Dazzer wrote:
try BA Kitchen components, its a huge factory who make doors, blanks, panels for a lot of the resellers - not sure they'd make you a few bits as a one off but they may manufacture the same profile sold by someone else under a different title like Canterbury or something like that.

ive got a few other names written down i'll try to dig them out...

IIRC a lot of this is made over in huge factories in ireland but cant recall names at the mo.
Thanks Dazzer, I'll try BA Kitchen components. If you find the details of anyone else who might be able to help then please let me know. Many thanks in advance


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Have a look at this thread mdf-doors-t28119-30.html

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dewaltdisney wrote:
They look easy enough to copy. You can make them up using different thicknesses of MDF to make up the profile. The 'frame' parts could be just stuck on strips of thinner material. The 'celebrated' joint lines would be formed by a router but you could cut them with a hand saw at a pinch. You will need a hinge mortice cutter bit for the cup hinges but they are only around £8.

Take a door to a Johnstones Decorating Centre and they will match the colour up with a suitable paint.

You can do this, give us a closer picture of the door front and back and we can guide you through how to do it. :thumbright:

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I'll certainly give it a go! I'll post some pix when i get home tonight. I am told by Howdens that the frame is made of oak and the panel is made of mdf. Thanks!


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The best wood to use for the frame is Poplar as it machines nicely and takes paint very well. You can get it here as an example https://www.woodshopdirect.co.uk/planed ... lar-timber

These doors are made using a tongue and groove set on a router table or spindle moulder for volume work. There are loads of ways to do this an much will depend on what tools you have at your disposal.

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dewaltdisney wrote:
Have a look at this thread http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/mdf-doors-t28119-30.html

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Here are the pix of the front, back and closeup of the cabinet door. Note that the grain is showing through the paint. Any tips on how I could i achieve this finish? Big thanks!

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Either those doors are solid wood, spray painted, or they might be embossed foil wrapped MDF in which case good luck trying to get a match! The plain fact is that the manufacturers of doors aren't in the market of supplying one-off quantities in non-standard sizes. That just isn't how they roll. And IIRC Howden's came out of the remains of the MFI "empire" - which also included Schreiber and Hygena. They currently list their manufacturing sites as being at Howden, East Yorkshire and Runcorn and their own website states that they manufacture and sell kitchens, etc.

BTW it might be possible to dismember some spare doors and biscuit or Domino (preferable) joint them to create exact fit doors - it depends on the sizes required - but it might also take 3 or 4 donor doors to make 2 good doors.

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Howdens Tewkesbury are a solid timber door with veneered centre panel

I think it's Wren which are the remnants of MFI

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darrenba wrote:
I think it's Wren which are the remnants of MFI

Please read this and [url=-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wren_Kitchens]this[/url]

I have had the (at times) dubious pleasure of installing Howdens fire doors, etc for a few years although, I admit, very few of their kitchens, hence my lack of knowledge of the exact make-up of this particular door. If the doors are solid wood frame with veneered centre panel then a cut and shut job would be straight forward for a half decent chippy, although as I said (and without knowing the exact dimensions of the new doors) it might require materials from one or (at worst) two extra doors

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From these photos the doors are not as simple as they appeared in your first pictures. The frame wood grain looks like Poplar to me but the panel certainly looks like oak. The panel is the tricky bit because it is thicker section of wood that has a moulding all around the front and a flush back. This has been produced by a special profile cutter like this http://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+woodworkin ... ands+tr249 which will need a router mounted in a table to cut. The panel will be made up of strips of oak glued together.

All in this may well be beyond the capability of a DIY project without a range of tools to do the various procedures to produce the component parts. There is no economy of scale and the cost of the stock, cutters and paint would make these very expensive doors I am afraid. That said a cabinet maker would be able to do them but I think he would charge about £150 to £200 a door which would get cheaper the more you have.

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