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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:24 pm 
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In the process of carrying out an extension and part of the plan is to have a straight staircase instead of the current L shape one. Is the current staircase salvageable or should I go for a brand new one instead? How much does a straight staircase cost to make and to fit? I have attached a couple of pics of the current staircase.

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You can't just take out what you have and replace it with a straight flight: the stairwell won't be the correct size.

Do you have a different location planned for the new stairs?

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ayjay, the stairs are going in the same place. When the extension is built the wall where those picture frames are leaning on in the bottom picture will be taken off which will open the space for straight stairs to fit in.

The width of both sections of stairs is the same and I was thinking that maybe I could reuse the bottom section (bottom picture) by connecting it to the top section. I dont know if that makes sense. Or is it too much hassle and should I just have a set of straight stairs built instead? I dont know what the price is for that?


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There's no reason it can't be re-used, it just depends on your carpentry brain, (and skills to some extent) you'll basically need to construct some studwork to support the top flight and another to support the lower flight and then find a method to stitch the two strings together.


Found this, looks cheaper than you might think for a straight flight:- http://www.stairplan.co.uk/standardstaircase.htm

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Thank you ayjay. I am thinking, in order to make things simple I buy the stringers only and reuse the treads and risers that I already have. This way I have the chance to go for this type of stringer
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instead of this one that I have at the moment
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I like the top style better because there's no wood 'frame' on the sides that would need to be painted and it also gives a more 'cleaner' and modern look. Plus the top style gives me a chance to change the design of stairs in the future a lot easier. In case I decide to have fancy stairs with shelves in them, etc.


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mahoak wrote:
I am thinking, in order to make things simple I buy the stringers only and reuse the treads and risers that I already have. This way I have the chance to go for this type of stringer

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The problem about re-using components is that closed string stairs are assembled using glues-in wedges and rub-glued corner blocks (and nails as well), so they don't always want to be dismantled that readily. When you do get them apart you'll need to check carefully for woodworm, rot, splits and cracks as well as excessive wear. Whatever else the wedges and glue blocks will all be scrap - they simply aren't worth the effort to re-use. Assuming that you havesome components which are useable, my understanding is that if you wish to reformat the stairs (i.e. go from a dog-legged stair to a straight flight) then the rise and going will need to meet the current regs. The other thing is that AFAIK replacement of stairs is technically notifyable works, so the Building Control Officer will need to come out and inspect (and sign off) the finished stairs.

That said I heve rebuilt stairs a couple of times on listed buildings, so it is doable, depending on skill level. The type of stringer you show above, though, is really an American-style cut stringer more normally associated with open riser stairs when I seen them. A lot of closed risr stairs made in the UK after WWII use relatively thin plywood risers which may or may not be suitable for re-use in this type of stair, especially as the treads are rebated across the back edge and grooved just behind the front nose (both cleary visible from the side). I'd say that makes your suggestion a no-no.

As to the second type of stringer shown:
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those stringers probably aren't compatible with old components either. That is a modern CNC-cut stringer which may not have the same bull-nose radius as your existing treads. Probably far better to get a cut to size pair of stringers done by the local joinery works to fit your existing treads and risers (and where they supply replacement wedges and glue blocks)

Want to have fancy stairs with shelves built-in? Design and build them from scratch, I'd say, rather than hash around with tired old parts because the result will probably never reach your expectations

TBH, it's going to be a lot less effort to go the way AyJay recommends and install shelving "boxes" beneath them afterwards

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J&K thank you. It sounds like ordering a new staircase is the best way forward so that's what I will do.

The reason why I put the picture of that second type of stringer was because I thought that's what my current stairs are like but looks like I was mistaken.

The look I am trying to achieve is this:
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I like it because there is no visible stringer, just the treads and risers.

If I were to look up the new straight staircase the left stringer will be fully against the wall whereas the right stringer will be just over half against the wall and the rest of the stringer will be visible.


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That sort of stairway is either cast concrete with applied treads or welded steel with a "tray" for each step which is filled with screed and into which you fix a tread using plugs and screws. Both fairly common in commercial work but often regarded as too expensive for domestics. If that is the look you are after I'd say that trying to re-use old bull nose treads and riser is going to be a wasted effort -it'll be far easier to start from scratch and you won't end up compromising the look you are after

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Good lord, there's me thinking that a apir of stairs is straight forward. I was looking on tkstairs website and the price between standard construction and exposed back stairs jumps from £270 to £808 :shock: :? :? Whereas the cut string stairs that I am looking for they dont even give a price online due to the large design variety. I assume that cut string stairs will be more expensive?


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http://www.cwberry.com/Home--Dcor/Stair ... lights.htm

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Thank you marcus but they only do 12 tread ones. I need 13.

I've been looking at this one
https://www.tkstairs.com/stair-designer ... fkjCL4CHg4

Are there any websites that people might recommend for ordering stairs?


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I don't know where you are, but at the link I posted they would make you a pair whatever size or shape you wanted. Can you not get a local joiner to knock them up? Or find a similar company? Don't over think it, I'm sure you can easily get a straight flight locally

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Been a long time ago, but I've had a couple of flights of stairs made to order in the past.
Personally I'd use a local specialist firm who have the CNC machinery to do the job. It was certainly a lot cheaper doing that in my case.
A guy came out and measured in both cases to make sure it was right. That's the beauty of using somebody local.
I had measured up, and my measurements were OK, but there's nothing like having it checked by somebody who does it all the time.



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I'm in Cheshire. I'll start looking for stairmaking companies although not sure where the best place would be :scratch: I'll start with an internet search to see what it brings up.


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The company who made mine are still going, but have been bought out by a local furniture company.
Says they deliver countrywide.

http://botreastairs.co.uk/



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