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pineapple
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 Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Sockets above the sink! |
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| After I moved into my house I noticed a double socket behind the taps and kitchen sink! Even I know that water and electricity don't mix.... |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I was on a job where the sparkie fitted a double socket next to the taps, because the client wanted it.
I refused to connect the sink  so the sparkie had to blank it off, I know damn well the put it back as soon as I left. 
Madness.
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handyman
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they put sockets next to sinks in austria.....its very common there, and the lastest time i have seen it was in a new build. Just doesnt seem right.
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pineapple
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| they put sockets next to sinks in austria.....its very common there, and the lastest time i have seen it was in a new build. Just doesnt seem right. |
This was directly behind the taps and a few inches above the sink. Surely there is a law against it! |
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handyman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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they put them 1" or so above the drainer
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ultimatehandyman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| pineapple wrote: |
| handyman wrote: |
| they put sockets next to sinks in austria.....its very common there, and the lastest time i have seen it was in a new build. Just doesnt seem right. |
This was directly behind the taps and a few inches above the sink. Surely there is a law against it! |
I'm sure there is a regulation that stipulates the minimum distance from the sink/taps.
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IDontBelieveIt
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Interestingly there is no regulation (BS7671) specifying the distance from sink to socket(s).
I believe that the NICEIC did try to get the IET to adopt a regulation but it never was implemented. The NICEIC guidelines is 600 mm and it is one that I use when installing sockets in kitchens - space allowing as many kitchens are pretty small rooms in a lot of standard homes.
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thescruff
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I thought I read somewhere about not being able to fill a kettle with it still plug in
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IDontBelieveIt
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| I thought I read somewhere about not being able to fill a kettle with it still plug in |
Yes, which is why the cables supplied with kettles are so short and hence the 600 mm spacing (in fact 300 mm is enough) Good point Scruff.
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Rich-Ando
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i know this one has caused a lot of debate in the past and also on this forum a long while ago.
back then i think i said something like...it used to be 1M distance years ago but i honestly didn't know what it was now. i then rang Napit and they said 300mm was acceptable.
in most cases i still work on a meter where possible and i have never yet fitted one under a sink. i don't care if the regs say you can or not, i won't do it. |
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Stoday
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Yeah, yeah.
Handymen, "electricians", uncle Tom Cobley and all know better than the IET.
In the UK we have the most stringent electricity regulations in the world, nevertheless these individuals think they know better than the IET wiring committee that comprises a roomful of experts.
They invent unnecessary regulations, it seems to me, so they can consider themselves superior. All they really do is to make themselves look like petulant cowboys.
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handyman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| IDontBelieveIt wrote: |
| thescruff wrote: |
| I thought I read somewhere about not being able to fill a kettle with it still plug in |
Yes, which is why the cables supplied with kettles are so short and hence the 600 mm spacing (in fact 300 mm is enough) Good point Scruff. |
I though the cables for kettles are short so children dont pull the kettle off the worktop (it was a campaign by 'thats life' if i remember correctly)
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handyman
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| Stoday wrote: |
Handymen, "electricians", uncle Tom Cobley and all know better than the IET.
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I dont know better that them, dont have a clue what the hell their going on about most of the time
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IDontBelieveIt
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My sentiments on this subject are in line with Stoday and I thought so at the time - that the NICEIC thin or believe that they are one better than God.
Many people believe that it IS the NICEIC that set the rules and regulations (7671). Arrogant bunch of marketeers! the IET has some very clever chaps at their disposal plus the likes of ERA at Leatherhead doing research on heir behalf.
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