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 Post subject: Signals at roundabouts
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:37 am 
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Got to have a rant.............why but why do drivers approach a roundabout giving a right signal when they want to go straight over ??????? they approach giving a right signal then when they get onto the roundabout they give a left signal to carry on :dunno: I have seen all kinds of drivers do this...... car drivers/ bus drivers/ taxies/lorry drivers/. This practise could be very dangerous if you are the one behind and go to pass thinking they are turning right then find they are coming back across your path on the road ahead. I know this is wrong and bad driving. I used to be a bus/coach driver (21 years) and took pride in my driving and have awards and medals to show for it. Then I was a ADI (approved driving instructor) and owned my own driving school for ten years. Its a pity they do not put some things about driving on TV like they used to, safety things in with the adds. The correct way is to approach with NO signal THEN as you are passing the left turn off (first turn off) you give the signal left and take the road ahead. ::b Grrrrr


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If you're going around a roundabout its essential in most cases to indicate when you intend to turn off it. Or are you saying the advanced way is to just cut across anyone that has an idea to undertake you.

Personally I think if you indicate it gives anyone joining the roundabout prior notice to make their move. :roll:


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It's the left hand lane to turn left or go straight on.

It's the right hand lane to turn right or do a u-turn.

You should indicate if you are going left or right.

This used to be broadcast as a public information film on TV many years ago.

I'd suggest that there are more collisons at roundabouts than at any junction in the country - all because people are now 'allowed' to do what they want provided they indicate their intentions. And most of those would be by foreign drivers who don't understand.

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thescruff wrote:
Or are you saying the advanced way is to just cut across anyone that has an idea to undertake you.

Personally I think if you indicate it gives anyone joining the roundabout prior notice to make their move. :roll:


Eh ??? :scratch:

@OP, don't get me started.. lack of indicating, incorrect indicating, poor lane discipline..tailgating.. failing to give way..

It seems to me that most drivers don't give a t0ss about the standard of their driving..


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It's the left hand lane to turn left or go straight on.

It's the right hand lane to turn right or do a u-turn.



Right hand lane can be used for going straight on if there are 2 lanes off the roundabout and there are no signs/road markings stating otherwise.

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Theres a nice roundabout in swindon, about 5 lanes and a mile of stop start traffic, chances are time you get to the roundabout your in the wrong lane.

And what the hell are you supposed to do if you're a stranger in town, all very well for the sales sharks that think they own the road :angryfire:

Anyone ever think the differing idiot in front may be on holiday and not have a clue where's hes going :roll:


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The "double indication" technique stems from a police driving manual written in the 50s and seems to have carried on into current time. Why it hung around so long beats me.

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If you want some fun, try this one in Hemel Hempstead.

Definitely confuses the old timers, my M-in-L wouldn't go anywhere near it in her car.

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That looks a lot like Swindon....

EDIT... Thought so this is Hemel Hempstead


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wine~o wrote:
That looks a lot like Swindon....

EDIT... Thought so this is Hemel Hempstead


My bad: that's been sat on my PC for a long time, I thought it was Hemel as I have family there, can't imagine why I've got a pic of a Swindon roundabout, probably duped by google at the time. :oops:

I've been through the Hemel one a couple of times, it's not too bad but you need eyes everywhere.

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wine~o wrote:
- It seems to me that most drivers don't give a t0ss about the standard of their driving..

The reality of it is that I don't think a lot of them are "drivers" as such. They consider their vehicle to be a sort of moving extension of their home, requiring minimal input or concentration on their part. The best description I can think of for them (apart from "dangerous") is "vehicle operators"
And that goes for a seemingly ever increasing proportion of all drivers. Car and "professional".



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I always try and assume on a large roundabout that the people in front or beside me are not local and don't know where they are going.



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Try driving in London.

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IMHO the worst thing is a roundabout with traffic lights on it. One is never given enough distance to change lanes before the lights change. I've never had any problems with that one in Swindon, and have found it's best to treat things like that as separate roundabouts. I think the one at J15(Royal Wooten Bassett) off the M4 is much worse, as to come from Swindon to get back on the M4 for the S Wales direction means you have to go 3/4 s round and have to go across all the lanes....with traffic lights. :shock:

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And indeed what I was taught when I did my Advanced motoring course. I think you are right in saying it comes from the police manual "Roadcraft" The I.A.M use/d it a lot

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Dunstable used to have traffic lights at it's major junction on the A5, then they changed it to two mini roundabouts. (not 6 as HH has) but now Dunstable has............traffic lights at it's major junction on the A5.

The M1 Junction near us has traffic lights on the roundabout, often vehicles will stop at the wrong red light. By that I mean its a secondary signal pointing across the roundabout to traffic waiting to come onto the roundabout, but as you come round the roundabout the light is indeed facing you, but there is no "stop line" as its not meant for you, its worse when long trucks stop as often their tail end stops you from going round them.

Traffic lights on roundabouts bad idea. Could be worse, could be the hanger lane gyratory system.

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