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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:18 pm 
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Im in the process of painting 6 x internal doors which have come already primed. I want to paint them in a satinwood finish but can't decide which paint to use;

Dulux Satinwood Trade or Dulux Trade Diamond Satinwood.

I have read several reviews on each type of paint. The Satinwood Trade is an oil based paint and goes yellow, smells and takes about 16 hours to dry. Where as the Diamond is a waterbase paint stays white, less smellier and drys within 6 hours, but reviews say the final finish isn't that good and you can see brush marks!

I also have exisiting door frames to paint. I have "keyed" these ready to paint. The existing paint on the frames is an oil based one. Can I use a water based paint on top of an oiled based paint?

Would appreciate any advice. Thank you


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I would go water based, at least it won't go yellow. :thumbright:


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Or crown satinwood not had any problems of late

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All oil paints (well all paints) would yellow. A lot depends on how much light the area gets. I like Crown but it is quite Matt.


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woody41 wrote:
and takes about 16 hours to dry


If you extend that figure to 48 you'll be nearer the mark. Diamond Satin is a very brittle paint and if there's any movement in the wood it'll be cracking all over the place - probably better to go with Johnstones Acrylic Satin (or Farrow & Ball Estate Eggshell which is brilliant gear) :thumbright:

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I'm with Dynamod. I used the Johnstones version next to dulux diamond and the Johnstones was much better.

Get a decent brush, Purdy for example. Unlike oil based paint, you don't have to "draw out" the water based stuff. The important thing is to lay off evenly and then go over it lightly with the tips of the bristles which will minimize the brush marks. Work quickly and don't go over paint too much because the open time is lower than oil based.

What sort of doors are they? Paneled or flat?



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Add a bit of floetrol if using water based satinwood, keeps the open time eliminating brush marks



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The doors are moulded 2 panel primed (from Howdens)

Im a novice painter and Ive got school aged children running about so drying time maybe an issue! I like the idea of a waterbase paint but I want to have a nice finish. I have used oil based before and had no problems (didn't have children then!) . I will roller the doors and use the brush around the mouldings.

I really cant decide, but it must be Satinwood.


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I would definitely go for the Johnstones water based satin. It is much easier to get a good finish with than the dulux.

For the best rolled finish, use these sleeves. They hold alot of paint, which is important if you have a short open time. Unlike the foam ones, they do not leave an orange peel effect.

http://www.ackosdiydecorative.com/4-pol ... -779-p.asp



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This would be my system for painting your doors from bare wood.

Acrylic Primer/undercoat
2coats coverstain oil based (this is repaintable after 2 hours and touch dry within an hour) to fill the grain as much as poss
2 coats satin w/b
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Sorry just read there pre primed. so scrap the acrylic primer and maybe one coverstain depending on what your perception is of a good finish



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Or Zinsser bullseye primer/undercoat and two coats of Sikkens BL Satura

http://www.zinsserdirect.co.uk/product_ ... ducts_id=7

http://sikkens.trade-decorating.co.uk/p ... satura.jsp

The bullseye goes off in less than an hour and the sikkens about the same :thumbright:



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How funny .... I have just gone out and bought Bullseye 123 for my frames, along with a Purdy brush and rollers for water based paints. I never realised there was different brushes or rollers for different paints!

Haven't got the satinwood yet but Im going for a water based one. Hopefully the finish will look alright as I have prepared all the woodwork and got all the right tools.

So then which is better Johnstones Satinwood or Dulux Satinwood Diamond both waterbased. Need something tough and wipeable.


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woody41 wrote:
How funny .... I have just gone out and bought Bullseye 123 for my frames, along with a Purdy brush and rollers for water based paints. I never realised there was different brushes or rollers for different paints!

Haven't got the satinwood yet but Im going for a water based one. Hopefully the finish will look alright as I have prepared all the woodwork and got all the right tools.

So then which is better Johnstones Satinwood or Dulux Satinwood Diamond both waterbased. Need something tough and wipeable.



I have used both. Both are good. I would say the Johnstone's probably gives you a slightly smoother finish, although personally I don't think it is quite as tough as the Dulux Satinwood, although I believe it toughens up the longer it is left to cure. It is recommended for exterior use, too, which suggests it should be strong enough for normal household use.

Why not get a small tin of both and see which you prefer? IN the grand scheme of things the cost won't be exorbitant and at least you will know you made the right decision.



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johntomkins wrote:
Add a bit of floetrol if using water based satinwood, keeps the open time eliminating brush marks


Are you sure? The Johnstones acrylic satinwood is a hybrid and can only be thinnned with max 5% water, not floetrol



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The sikkens bl satura has a polyurethane content so is quite tough, it also flats off nicely and has a good open time without the need for additives. :thumbleft:



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