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chaos
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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Safe advice wanted please |
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Hi
I'm looking for a safe to keep a few documents like birth certificates, and some cash, I'd like one that screws to the floor, and I think it needs to be about 2 ft square, does anyone have any recomendations? |
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thescruff
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chaos
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much..Perfect  |
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thescruff
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They're good quality, and different insurance and fire ratings, and you can get discounts on the premium from most insurance outfits
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lockie
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly do you want the safe to do ? Is it to protect from burglary or fire or both ?
You should definately stick to a major brand like,burton,chubb,chubb secureline,hadleigh,dudley etc.
Steer well away from the cheap £50 things you see in B&Q.I can open those cheap electronic ones with a hammer without damging them,utter crap.
Choose mechanical key locking over digitals on the cheaper priced stuff as electronics can fail for no reason because of a loose solder etc. Combination locks are good but a bit pricier than key locking.
Think of this as a longterm purchase because if you get the right safe it will last you years.
Cash ratings are normally times by ten to give the jewellery/valuables rating.
Really think about where and how you are going to fit it,this is just as important as the choice of safe.
The chubb secureline ps2 gives good cover of 4k and 30mins fire protection,good value depending on what size you get. The next ones up the castelle is a real good bit of kit.
If you find a chubb one you like drop me a pm with the best price you have found and i will see if i can better it.
Not sure if i can post a link to my website but google "all locked up" and all will be revealed about us with a bit of information for you to read through to help your choice. |
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wasim21k
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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just to extend something here,
let say if i want to have some small safe in ground where i can put important documents and some cash,
now i was thinking to dig a hole in ground and make some place there but to dig hole in concrete floor is nearly impossible, so what other place you have have these type of safe??? sure these type of safes are handy enough to carry if some one break into house while u r on holidays. so any one with any idea please come forward and share here. |
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thescruff
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The small safe I have weighs around 70 Kg it bolts to the floor and wall with rawlbolts or if you have the kit I used chemical fixings, you would need a kango and take half the wall down to get it out 
It is rated at 4k which for insuance purposes is 40k jewelery, it is also 2hr fire resistant so any important documents are reasonably secure.
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wasim21k
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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hhmmm thats nice one thescruff, but still dont want safe visible some where so need to hid it  |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't have to be visible, anywhere you can get a good fixing, understairs for example is a good place
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Steve the Gas
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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There you go with your diamonds again 
Now we know where they are - under the stairs |
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thescruff
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| Steve the Gas wrote: |
There you go with your diamonds again
Now we know where they are - under the stairs |
But would you try and get 10" of m10 stud out with hilti chemical fixing
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lockie
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Depending on what you want it to do and at what level of protection you require, you have several options.
You could fit a wall safe with a picture over it. A foorboard safe is another option.These fit between the floor joists and give quite a strong hold.
Sneaky hiding type options include safe cans,these look like a tin of beans or similar and have a false bottom you unscrew,great for hiding car keys and less than a fiver on ebay.
How about a small safe disguised as a socket ? Cheap and virtually unnoticeable when installed.
Other sneaky options include fitting a small safe behind an air vent cover in the wall.
Bolting a small safe under the stairs is quite effective because of the limited space making it hard to force it out with crowbars etc.
Floor safes are particularly good for the reasons you pointed out just to install them.Yes more effort is required to fit them but it also means its hard to get into them.
Many floor safes have relockers and ballbearings in them.If you drill it to get at the lock the relocker fires off a small bolt that means the safe will not now open even with the key.
The ballbearings snap drill bits if you dont know they are there.
The downside with floor safes is if fitted in high traffic areas dirt does get into the locks over time and cause problems.
Big heavy floorstanding safes are good as well with lots of funky insides to defeat opening attempts but space consuming too.
Some of these can weigh 200kg or more.
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Stoday
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a wall safe but I haven't got anything to put in it. 
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marksson
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I'm not telling you what safe I have, what type of safe it is or where it is.
All I will say is it will be hard to find & even harder to access, and Gordon has helped to ensure that there isn't a lot in it (even after 16 years? of him & his mates)
I would advise going for something keyed and that is built in to the fabric of the building.
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