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Bron and I visit Boundary Mills stores both in Catcliffe and Colne. These stores are supposed to be cheap offering savings of up to 75%?

A few years ago I bought a very nice Parka at the Colne store and I was pleased with the purchase; marked down from £100 to £72 so a saving of £28? Back home and out of curiosity I logged on to the site where these Parka's are made and was most disappointed to find I could buy online a clone of my Parka for £78 plus free postage.

Just over a week ago we decided to buy a new Prestige 6L hi-dome pressure cooker; I browsed eBay and found Argos were running a special limited deal on these cookers at £29 inc free delivery so I bought one. This week whilst at Boundary Mills in Catcliffe where goods are up to 75% off the same model pressure cooker sells at £16 more?

I've stopped buying as much from Screwfix for the same reasons; about a year ago Screwfix were having a clear out sale and I spotted some round three core cable which would be handy to have in stock; this cable was supposed to be reduced to half price but on eBay the identical spec cable was much cheaper including delivery. Screwfix used to be my favourite store and I'm now receiving emails from Screwfix offering me 10% discount off my next purchase.

Isn't it time the trading standards came down hard on companies using these kind of misleading practices who appear to dream up a price then slash this price to the normal selling price making out it is such a bargain? Some things are genuinely discounted but many are not so now I browse eBay if I'm buying anything of value because usually I can buy cheaper on eBay including delivery to our home. The days of honesty and fair play are long gone to be replaced by greed and dishonesty?

A month ago I needed 16 drawer knobs so browsed eBay and found exactly what I was looking for but the seller was in China; I ordered and paid through PayPal 20 of the knobs and at £7.50 delivered if they were no good it was little lost; when the knobs arrived by slow boat I was over the moon with them; fancy metal knobs very robust and well made with correct mounting screws; similar drawer knobs here in the UK would cost at least four times the amount?

A couple of years ago I was in Timothy Woods tool store wanting to buy a Fein Multimaster TOP; I had £220 cash with me which was rejected so I returned home and bought the same tool through eBay with next day delivery included for just under £200 the store wanted a lot more than this.

I recently bought a lovely 2,000W Makita router with free delivery costing about £250 through eBay; the same model router locally costs up to £120 more.

I now shop around and have no loyalty any longer for local stores who are simply out to rip me off including supermarkets and I certainly distrust retail outlets. What's the world coming to?

With high rents and crippling rates plus all the regulations as to employing it's no wonder stores are resorting to underhand selling practices simply in order to survive; I'd like to support our local stores and would do so even if their prices were slightly higher but I'd be a fool to ignore the huge savings I can make buying online. Many eBay sellers will be working from their home unrestricted by regulations etc so in this respect it's unfair to compare these sellers with the stores but the outcome is stores closing with loss of jobs and loss of income to the council.

Bron and I were in a crafts store in Batley this week and we know the staff very well; a very presentable young lady was being interviewed for a job in the store; this young lady who was very keen to secure the job is 16 years of age but is prevented from securing this job in a craft store because she is too young to cash up; she is to young to work unsupervised; she is to young to sell scissors etc. Much better to start this young lady off on benefits which will save her a lot of hassle? The staff were very disappointed because this young lady was perfect for the position.

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I recently needed some hand tools, each only £5 to £10 but about half a dozen.

I checked out the usual stores, Wickes, Screwfix, B&Q, Toolstation and then checked Amazon and eBay.

With the exception of one tool that came from a UK eBay store the rest came, via eBay, from a superstore in Brooklyn, U.S.
I hate wasting people's time, and in particular, the extra cost to the environment but when the tools turn up in reasonable time, well packed and better quality brands for less money the UK stores provide little competition.

With the exception of consumable materials pretty much the only thing the UK stores have going for them is if you need to pick something up straight away or are concerned that you might need to return the item.

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We the public are the problem.
If you have a shop you will need to pay rates, staff etc. If you sell only on ebay you don't have any of these costs so you can sell something cheaper.
So because we (the public) can buy it cheaper on line we do, but this in turn means the shops loose out, so they close down. In closing down the workers get made redundant so have to look on line to buy thinks cheaper, and so it goes on.

The internet is good in some ways, since you are reading this now, but in other ways, the internet is not good.

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Earlier in the week, I was looking for a specialised lamp for my wife to use when she is doing her cross-stitch. I finally zeroed in on the best candidate and then started looking for the item. Here is my experience:

Hobbycraft - 6 miles away - £155, no stock, no idea of when next in.

Hobbycraft on the web - same price, no stock, no idea of next delivery.

Specialist hobby shop, Ripon, 38 miles away, £168 (could order for delivery - £9) - no stock, can order.

Specialist online hobby shop - 250 miles away, £152, delivery £7.50, no stock can order.

DIRECT to manufacturer, online order placed Thursday at 4pm, shipped same day FoC, arrived this morning by courier. PRICE - £138.

Worth looking around online first.

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Hi,

Thanks tcm; the only thing which appears readily available in the UK these days is fast food? Years ago I needed a 2" wide leather honing belt for a tool grinding machine I made; I browsed the web for many hours not only looking for suitable leather belting but I also browsed tanneries all without luck. I eventually bought a bespoke leather honing belt from Dallas Texas.

Thanks s-e I did mention the overheads in the first post; are the public really to blame for our current state of affairs; what about the government who impose more and more restrictions upon us whilst ripping us off with taxes; I feel the problem starts with the government then ripples down to the public; misleading the public by false advertising is supposed to be illegal but places like Boundary Mills seem untouchable? Take this a bit further and we have the giant VW company blatantly breaking the law; whom can we trust these days to be honest and fair when money is involved? I think the public are the victims here? :scratch:

Thanks Colin; Bron and I used to visit Hobbycraft at the Meadowhall Retail Park in Sheffield but no longer bother; the prices are steep and the store is difficult to negotiate with narrow isles between the shelving meaning one person browsing is under everyone else's feet; I have yet to find a hobby store which is cheap and this even applies online? I hope the new lamp is just the job for your wife? :thumbleft:

I buy bits of BMS (bright mild steel) from Blackgates Engineering but only as a last resort; if I buy the same metal from our local K Steels it's a quarter of the price but I have to spend a minimum £25; once I get the garage set up with the new lighting I'll visit K Steels and stock up with common sizes of BMS; I already have quite a bit of BMS round bar stock but don't have any BMS square bar stock or tube. Craft and hobby stores charge high prices due to lack of demand so they have to meet their overheads from the few customers they have which in turn customers start to look elsewhere because the prices are much to high; there isn't an easy solution to this problem and just look in any town to see how many stores are closed; I'll not visit any store where traffic wardens are only too willing to pounce; it's not worth the risk so I never shop in towns or cities staying well clear.

So far I've not had any problem shopping online; its highly convenient especially in our dire climate just sitting here browsing the web for best prices; many goods come with free delivery; eBay is pretty safe as long as the sellers feedback rating is high and the more sales the seller makes the keener the seller is to safeguard the rating; order online at best price and sit back to await delivery which can be as quick as next day all without leaving home; I'm doing more and more shopping online whilst feeling sorry for the stores who are struggling for business; I've not looked round Huddersfield Town for many years but at a guess I'd say most of the stores are selling mobile phones; charity; Poundland; Poundstretcher or fast food? Even if I could park the car there would be nothing of interest in any of these stores for me? :cb

Most of our local scrapyards have gone because there is no longer any decent industry to feed them; I used to love an afternoon in a scrapyard searching for raw materials at little cost whilst Bron sat in the car reading a girlie mag; life isn't as good as it used to be?

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A lot of these problems eminate from the EU. Red tape, rules and regulations are imposed on business by large corporates who lobby for the introduction of such measures safe in the knowledge that they can absorb the cost by adding a few pennies on the purchase price of all their products. Smaller companies can't do this as it means adding pounds, not pennies.

Corporations don't want the competition, they want a monopoly and they are using the EU to obtain it. The next step is the TTIP rules they are trying to enforce which will, amongst other things, allow corporations to sue Governments if they interfere in their business transactions (by means of regulation, taxation etc).

Being listed on the stock exchange also doesn't help matters when annual profits MUST increase else you suffer the possibility of take-over. We are always hearing about how x company 'lost' so many millions this year when they actually MADE many millions only 'not as many millions as they did last year' hence it being designated as a 'loss'.

Then there are councils....... thieving robbing barstewards who have no regard for peoples employment other than screwing the most income they can for doing eff all.

Traders on eBay are doing well - for now. You wait. The Government will introduce taxation on EVERY transaction regardless of whether they are private, second-hand or people trading from their garages. They will betray you and me for the corporates.

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Online ordering is the future, in some ways it's a shame as I love browsing a well aid out shop but these days I often browse the shops then buy online, I can't afford not to in most cases!



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Thanks tcm; the only thing which appears readily available in the UK these days is fast food? Years ago I needed a 2" wide leather honing belt for a tool grinding machine I made; I browsed the web for many hours not only looking for suitable leather belting but I also browsed tanneries all without luck. I eventually bought a bespoke leather honing belt from Dallas Texas.


Funny you should mention leather honing, I've just been looking for some decent leather so I can make a leather strop.
I only want a piece around 8" x 2.5" so I thought I'd see if I could get some scraps but it all seems to be that naff compacted stuff, incredibly thin or what seems to be a crazy price for such a small piece.


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Most of our local scrapyards have gone because there is no longer any decent industry to feed them; I used to love an afternoon in a scrapyard searching for raw materials at little cost whilst Bron sat in the car reading a girlie mag; life isn't as good as it used to be?


I know what you mean.
I keep getting jealous when I see people visiting scrap and timber yards on U.S. videos when here you're lucky enough to find a local decent yard let alone at anything close to the $ prices.

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I don't know that any one group (company's, the public or government) are totally to blame but something has definitely gone very wrong when it's a lot cheaper for me to order a box of hand tools from an actual U.S. store, not just an online warehouse, including taxes, decent packing materials and shipping than it is just popping a few minutes up the road to get almost exactly the same stuff from Wickes.

Whilst it is worth remembering that actual stores have greater overheads it's also worth remembering that they also benefit from accessibility, brand recognition, advertising opportunities and they have massively more buying power than most online stores and eBay sellers.
EBay sellers aren't entirely without costs either, they have to make enough for a profit plus usually 10% extra for eBay's cut and another 10% for PayPal's cut.

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So many people are conned in to thinking some things are cheaper because it's on sale, women are the worst.

There are so many devious tactics employed by large retailers letting consumers think they are saving money when they are not. For example one of the large supermarkets recently had an offer on microwaveable rice as a buy 2 for £2.50 as they were £1.50 individually. However someone reported them for unfair practise as they were normally only £1 each!! The current laws meant trading standards could take no action.

The 28 day rule is a current favourite of large retailers. They artificially inflate the price of an item for 28 days and then reduce it back to it's normal price but can claim it's on sale so the consumer thinks you're saving money when you are not.

I'm very wary of using Ebay now as many of their stuff is knock off from China. A few weeks ago I ordered a powerful head torch from a buyer in Swansea (or so I thought) and paid through PayPal. However the PayPal receipt was in Chinese which aroused my suspicions. One week later I hadn't received the goods which I thought was strange so I emailed the seller. The response I received was in broken English, so I asked him 3 times where the goods were being sent from but they refused to answer.

It's clear the seller has a registered address in Swansea but the goods are being sent from China. The problem is they are dangerous and capable of catching fire as they are not subject to the same safety regulations as here in the UK. I had one a few years back and the battery charger caught fire as I was watching TV. If I hadn't have been there my house would have been destroyed and probably killed my dogs.

Be very careful what you buy on Ebay.



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I would have to not agree with "Be very careful what you buy on Ebay." to me it doesn't matter.

I Had some lights custom made for me in China (yes really I did) I was, still am very happy with them, it was pretty much the only place I could find that would / do make what I wanted for a non extortionate cost.

But likewise some things you buy in UK shops / outlets is made in china, some is good quality some is rubbish.

I would say its down to the old saying. If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.

Isn't the iphone made in China?

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Hi,

Thanks for the interesting replies. When Bron and I leave the bungalow we ensure most electrical items are isolated for safety; when I leave the garage I never ever leave a machine under power and I always double check the big 3 phase transformer is switched off; I added a mains warning lamp to the transformer as I also have to the graduate lathe indicating power on at a glance.

I used to restore vintage radios for an hobby and recall that when TV's started to become popular that a certain company supplied a TV which could burst into flames after it was switched off; another company I think PYE made thousands of radios ending up smashing them because the fret panel design resembled the Japanese "rising sun". Nothing has changed and thousands more rules and regulations will be introduced but even these won't ensure things we buy are safe? Look at the rules and regulations already in place but unenforceable? Robots can make mistakes like the paint spraying robot at work which occasionally got fed up of spraying electric motors so sprayed the ceiling instead; temporary workers to cover sickness and holidays who run out of motor fans so continue fitting the fan covers; I know of at least one big electric motor which arrived in Australia without bearings installed ; this motor had gone right through the works including final testing?

Greed generates pressure; pressure generates mistakes and its getting worse. Why do people like me buy from China; is it because we make so little here in the UK having very little manufacturing power these days; Poland ; India and China are producing our goods because they are unrestricted by government and EU laws; how many members have seen workers who clock on and do the least possible work they can but expect high pay; I saw lots of this before retiring.

How many young lads have a decent hobby these days even though there is more money around than ever? I wonder how long beore we import fresh milk and dairy products because farmers are getting a rough deal from greedy supermarkets? Are we becoming the third world? :scratch:

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Scrap yards have 'gone' due to EU regulations - surprise, surprise.

Supermarkets abuse the 'sales' laws because they use corporate powers (via lobbying) to prevent changes to the laws outlawing such practises.

Many manufactured goods are made abroad because of Government policies (and EU policies) that make their manufacture here in the UK too expensive, especially when considering energy-instensive manufacture , employment laws, red tape etc.

Stuff you can buy direct from China is exactly the same stuff you can buy here but with the added costs of import, tests, checks (i.e. red tape), overheads and (excessive?) profit added.

Basically the worlds trade is screwed by POLITICS and their interference in what are claimed to be 'free markets'. Let the people (customer) decide. If we had cheap (say) phone chargers that burst into flames we'd stop buying them. The net effect would be to make manufacturers build stuff we bought and not shunned. It doesn't take legislation to make that happen.

But, almost without exception, if there's something, ANYTHING, you have a beef over the bottom line is usually 'because of the EU' (or politics).

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There's still loads of scrap yards around my way.

I wouldn't agree the stuff from China is the same from here especially the electrical stuff. A few years ago a nurse in a care home used her cheap Chinese import to charge her phone and burnt the care home down,


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Seems that the iphone IS made in China, then again, so are some Samsung phones

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