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I'm putting up some kitchen wall units on brick walls. They're going to be carrying a lot of weight (tools etc), so as well as the two upper corner fixings I want to put wooden battens underneath them to give extra support and I need advice on how to do this. What I thought I'd do is put up the battens first and then use them as supports while I put up the cupboards using the corner fixings.

How do I put up the battens? Do I drill straight through the batten and into the wall but obviously only to a depth to take a rawl plug for part of the screw (as an inch or so of the screw will be in the batten). Also, I want to countersink the screw into the batten so I can put some caulk over and paint it. Can anyone advise please.


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Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

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Have a look at the idea of French cleats, it's what I did for my tools, very easy, very flexible and very very strong

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Have a look at the idea of French cleats, it's what I did for my tools, very easy, very flexible and very very strong


Can't argue with that advice. but put at the top (under the top lip of the cabinet) not under.

BTW what walls? plaster on brick or plasterboard ??

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assuming 20mm baton and not tiles or porceline use 2-4" nails
pre drill the timber where you want the screws to go bash a nail in every hole
95% off the time the nails will hold the baton :lol:
when you pull the nails out you not only easily find the hole so does the drill bit :huray:

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davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

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Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


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Zacccc wrote:
davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

davyp1

Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


Sorry, I've got it now: the T supports the front of cupbd, the back is supported by the permanent batten(?)


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davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

davyp1

Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


Sorry, I've got it now: the T supports the front of cupbd, the back is supported by the permanent batten(?)


The screws I've got to go through the battens are actually 57mm and the batten is 20mm and the rawl plugs I have are 36mm or 38mm so I presume it would be better to use the 38mm (?) or a blue plug?


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Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

davyp1

Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


Sorry, I've got it now: the T supports the front of cupbd, the back is supported by the permanent batten(?)


The screws I've got to go through the battens are actually 57mm and the batten is 20mm and the rawl plugs I have are 36mm or 38mm so I presume it would be better to use the 38mm (?) or a blue plug?


Yes the T supports the front of the cupboard.

When drilling your holes in the wall, make sure you drill at least 40mm into the wall (wrap a short length of insulation tape around the drill bit so you know when you have reached 40mm in depth.
Tap your top corner support plugs in first and with the cupboard in position, start the screw by hand then tap it & the plug a little way into the wall. Then screw it in fully.

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davyp1 wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

davyp1

Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


Sorry, I've got it now: the T supports the front of cupbd, the back is supported by the permanent batten(?)


The screws I've got to go through the battens are actually 57mm and the batten is 20mm and the rawl plugs I have are 36mm or 38mm so I presume it would be better to use the 38mm (?) or a blue plug?


Yes the T supports the front of the cupboard.

When drilling your holes in the wall, make sure you drill at least 40mm into the wall (wrap a short length of insulation tape around the drill bit so you know when you have reached 40mm in depth.
Tap your top corner support plugs in first and with the cupboard in position, start the screw by hand then tap it & the plug a little way into the wall. Then screw it in fully.

davyp1


Thanks for that, Davy, but I'm a bit puzzled about the drilling "at least 40mm into the wall". I can see that for my 57mm screws that would be applicable in the case of the battens, as the screw would only go in to a depth of 37mm (57 minus 20) but in the case of the top corner screws, which will screw the brackets to the wall, I think I'll probably have to go in to a depth of maybe 55mm.


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Zacccc wrote:
davyp1 wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
Zacccc wrote:
davyp1 wrote:
Mark the top height of your support battens and draw a line with your level then mark on the line the positions of the end of the battens.
Measure & cut your battens to length then mark the points for three fixing screws, two at approx 50mm from each end and a third in the centre of the batten all central to the width.
Countersink your fixing holes as required.
Positioning the batten, mark the centre hole with your drill bit through the hole onto the wall.
Using a 7mm mason bit, drill the hole deep enough to accept a brown plug and tap in place with the hammer.
Fix the batton with a 50mm screw.
Repeat drilling and screwing for the other two screws after checking the batten with your level.
Cut a lath the same length as the distance from floor to top of batten and screw a 400mm long piece of the same batten to one end forming a 'T'.
Position your cupboard on the batten and supporting the front edge of the cupboard with your 'T' mark on to the wall the two holes through the corner fixing brackets.
Take down the cupboard, drill the two holes with 7mm mason bit and insert Brown plugs.
Replace cupboard on the batton and supporting with your 'T' Fix with screws through the two corner brackets.
Take away the 'T'.

davyp1

Davy, thank you for your detailed explanation. The bit I don't understand is cutting the piece for the T. If it's going to be 400mm long why cut it at the length from floor to top of batten?


Sorry, I've got it now: the T supports the front of cupbd, the back is supported by the permanent batten(?)


The screws I've got to go through the battens are actually 57mm and the batten is 20mm and the rawl plugs I have are 36mm or 38mm so I presume it would be better to use the 38mm (?) or a blue plug?


Yes the T supports the front of the cupboard.

When drilling your holes in the wall, make sure you drill at least 40mm into the wall (wrap a short length of insulation tape around the drill bit so you know when you have reached 40mm in depth.
Tap your top corner support plugs in first and with the cupboard in position, start the screw by hand then tap it & the plug a little way into the wall. Then screw it in fully.

davyp1


Thanks for that, Davy, but I'm a bit puzzled about the drilling "at least 40mm into the wall". I can see that for my 57mm screws that would be applicable in the case of the battens, as the screw would only go in to a depth of 37mm (57 minus 20) but in the case of the top corner screws, which will screw the brackets to the wall, I think I'll probably have to go in to a depth of maybe 55mm.


Yes you are correct!

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