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rubber_hammer
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Agree with above. The skimming/plastering looks fine to me. If the walls are dot & dabbed, then the person who did it deserves the criticism, because it doesn't take very long to tap them in level, but would cost a few quid to straighten out with bonding...so they probably left it like it was and now the skirting looks crap.
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Tryanything
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Location: Essex
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Walls are all brick except in the first picture where it is studwork running into brickwork
Was going to add more but cant be arsed as some comments are a load of b*llocks just like the work 
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izalarfin
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: |
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well if he got them hollows in rended walls then I'm sorry that you got a lazy fool that's to idle to bend his back to rule off properly.
I hope you haven't paid him yet as you would be well justified to hold back half his money till he has put his mess right. |
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panlid
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Tryanything wrote: |
Walls are all brick except in the first picture where it is studwork running into brickwork
Was going to add more but cant be arsed as some comments are a load of b*llocks just like the work |
you mean you now feel crap because you have to work on that job 
no one is saying it is quality work just that pics of dodgy work do not always tell the true picture. i dont know what the story is here just that i have seen work like this before and alot of the time the customer has got exactly what they have paid for.
its amazing how they get 3 quotes. 1 for a thousand anther for 500 and another for 250.
they go for 250 but expect the quality of a thouand.
i personally love seeing pictures of work like this as half the time the customer deserves it  |
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Tryanything
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| panlid wrote: |
| Tryanything wrote: |
Walls are all brick except in the first picture where it is studwork running into brickwork
Was going to add more but cant be arsed as some comments are a load of b*llocks just like the work |
you mean you now feel crap because you have to work on that job : |
No Panlid the job has nothing to do with me, as said in my opening post i had just dropped in to see Simpleplunb and he was showing me some of the work
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phill
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Location: kent, uk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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i dont know what the story is here just that i have seen work like this before and alot of the time the customer has got exactly what they have paid for.
its amazing how they get 3 quotes. 1 for a thousand anther for 500 and another for 250.
they go for 250 but expect the quality of a thouand.
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Its also highly possible that the customer just does not care enough about what it looks like. They are often more interested in fast and cheap.
If you did come round to fit the wood you would struggle to make it look good, but you could do better. Mind you probably not for the price paid. |
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panlid
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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most jobs i do i project manage them myself.
its amazing how first impressions count.
if your trades are turning up to the job and seeing a load of crap everywhere they think they too can leave their crap there.
the same as if they see bad workmanship, if they see it alot think they can lower their standards.
what most of you on here forget is that most tradesmen are not like you. when you do a diy job you are giddy and actually enjoy it. it is easy to romance about how good and reliable you are when you are playing games.
ive seen tradesmen start up and go on about being reliable and top notch work, easy to do when you are quiet. then ive seen them proper loose it when they get busy and try to please everyone including arsy customers that think you should drop everything for them because they once gave you a days work.
ide love to see what you lot would churn out in the same position.
it may well be good but my guess is alot of you would end up throwing it in.
most tradesmen hate doing the same crap everyday but have mortgages to pay. if you let them alot will offer crap like this.
it is a joy when you get a customer that doesnt mind paying for a top end job. believe me, they are rare.
as i said before, most want the top end for next to nothing. i can honestly see why some are tempted to lower their standards as in my experience of being self employed (10 years) a big percentage of customers are tight money grabbing ignorant gits with questionable ethics.
they have the gall to slag off tradesmen then go to work and try and do as little as possible, take no responsibility, expect good money and p*ss and moan.
oh the irony! |
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Hoovie
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the work is the pics is crap - and both the tradesmen doing the work and the customer are to blame.
It is the responsibility of the client to be clear what he wants - and the tradesman to say what he he can do within that budget.
Any tradesman worth his salt would not let anyone talk him into doing work to that standard. Also, I think it is the responsibility of ANY worker - in ANY type of industry, to point out the consequences of skimping on cost inappropriately.
If this was a temporary building that was gonna be knocked down in a week, it is - just about - ok. In someones home 
my profession is not in any of these trades, but I see all the time a mismatch between client requirements and client budget - and the result of corners cut as the supplier cannot deliver what is wanted with the amount of money being spent - and I am talking mismatch of £M's not hundreds 
It is not rocket science 
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panlid
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hoovie wrote: |
the work is the pics is crap - and both the tradesmen doing the work and the customer are to blame.
It is the responsibility of the client to be clear what he wants - and the tradesman to say what he he can do within that budget.
Any tradesman worth his salt would not let anyone talk him doing work to that standard. Also, I think it is the responsibility of ANY worker - in ANY type of industry, to point out the consequences of skimping on cost inappropriately.
If this was a temporary building that was gonna be knocked down in a week, it is - just about - ok. In someones home
my profession is not in any of these trades, but I see all the time a mismatch between client requirements and client budget - and the result of corners cut as the supplier cannot deliver what is wanted with the amount of money being spent - and I am talking mismatch of £M's not hundreds
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Hoovie
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Customer for not being realistic (or just trying to shaft the supplier) - Supplier for not - as the expert - letting them know the consequences for being a cheapskate.
I know it sounds naff, but it is a partnership in many ways.
I bet some of the most satisifying work people do is as a result of discussion over the requirements and both parties contributing (maybe I am totally wrong, but just my 2c worth and how I like to work)
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polecat
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Panlid, good points mate. From my point of view I can only say that the sparks I use would ask about the architrave that has to go up before they put the box in. Then put it far enough away for it not the affect it. The plasterer, if there was one, should be hung. The chippie can only fix to what is there like you say, not his job to straighten up the walls. Personally I would have turned around and walked back out again if I was the chippie. Telmay spot on mate.  1 x Dec, 1x skip filled with tetrion on a special delivery from brewers, 2 x boxes of painters mate, 1 x revised estimate = jobs a good un |
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owen
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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i dont do any subcontracting to other builders but have been on enough jobs to see what people will put up with if its cheap enough.
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panlid has hit the nail on the head with this one.
No tradesman wants to leave stuff like that, but at the end of the day if the customer is happy and pays you, then you can pay your mortgage. Simple as that. And unfortunately, if the customer is given a choice, they will take the cheaper, but shoddier, option 90% of the time.
the majority on here are diyers, and doesn't this thread show it. You lot would complain if you went into tescos and you could only buy Tesco's finest baked beans at £3 a tin. But you have a choice, so you buy the tesco value ones at 10p a tin. Do you really expect them to taste the same??
It makes the job enjoyable for me when you do work for customers that appreciate that quality costs. Unfortunately like panlid says, they are very much in the minority. |
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Jenny the novice
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Just to add my tuppence worth.
I have experience of shoddy workmanship. We actually went for the highest quote as he was (was) a friend of the family so we though he would do good work. At no point was I asked if we would like unstraight walls or unflush worktops etc. to save money. I never asked him to do it cheaply and he wasn't having to deal with other trades as he managed everything except the electrics which were already done. Some people are just shoddy  |
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gentleman jim
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Can see where you're coming from panlid, anytime I come up against something like that I always defer to the wishes of the lady of the house for clarity and instruction ..... that way you keep yourself right 
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Gadget
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Five months late, is that a record?
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