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rosshardy
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 Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Painting on uneven surfaces help!! |
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Hi there,
I have previously been on here before and was grateful for the help i recieved. One part of such advice was to begin he job then come back for more advice!! So here i am, I have removed the wallpaper from my bedroom and kitchen walls, in the bedroom some paint came of with the paper leaving a slighly uneven surface and also small patches of plaster, i plan to patch these up wih skim plaster(is this correct) ?? and if painting onto the plaster skim where the paint is removed how do i prep this?? In the kitchen as can be seen from photos there not so much flaky paint but a motled stippled effect on the paint underneath, can this be sanded away?? or again is there a basecoat product which will cover the highpoints?? I have been looking at polycell smootover products but not sure if this is quite what they were intended for....would i be better getting a dcorator to lining paper the walls and start from there....many thanks
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| little pic of a part of a tenement living room can't fit it all in these are 1 bed flats so i apreciate the scale |
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| Plasteron backwall where paint came off with paper and flaking |
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| Top right shows the mottled effects on old paint, horrible ligths cant wait to get rid of!! |
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| plaster requiring patching how do i prep this or just slap it on?? |
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bobbie-dazzler
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Pic 2 looks worse than it is, but you will have to do a fair amount of prep, your best bet is to line it.
Here is a wall very similar to yours.
I can tell you how to get it like this, but if your going to line it, I wont bother lol
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rosshardy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I may not line it if i can help it.......i have plenty time so if you could expand a little i'd really appreciate it!!!
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LovelyBoy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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bobbie-dazzler,
I too have the very same problem and am truly dazzled at your end result!
I wont be lining. I hope (beyond measure!) that you will reply and tell us how you achieved the finish given the state of the original wall.
That would certinly make you a gem of a dazzler! TIA.
LB
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tim'll fix it
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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you want smooth walls there are only two options
1. re-skim
2. Lining paper
anything else is a compromise
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LovelyBoy
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Hi Tim'll,
Thanks for the reply. I realise what you're saying. I''ll have to go down the compromise route (maybe others too) due to cost. Hopefully Bobbie-Dazzler will post a reply.
Much appreciated.
LB.
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LovelyBoy
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Hi All,
Just to follow up, my situation is very similar to Ross's. I wont post up pics as they're basically the same.
I've already put down one coat of Polycell Basecoat after using an Orbital sander and filler. I used 120 grit initially then 240 grit to smooth out. I've put a 2nd coat down (B&Q Wigan are doing 15L of Crown white emulsion for £15!)
Large expanses of the wall look great and I'm very satisfied. There are still nicks and depressions and raised areas where I didn't sand down thoroughly enough. From my experience so far, it appears that I'll just have to continue this process. Very time consuming and very dusty I'll admit - but can't afford either the £650 or £600 quotes for skimming 3 bedrooms.
If there's any tips to make the best of my (admittedly) compromise plan of attack I'd love to hear from anyone - especially bobbie-dazzler.
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| "I can tell you how to get it like this, but if your going to line it, I wont bother lol" |
I'm guessing (hopefully) that there's more to her solution than skimming...
I dont want to line either. One of the reasons is due to peeling near heat sources. Ah well... 
Ta,
LB.
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tim'll fix it
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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lining is very cheap
£6 for a quad roll of paper and £3 for a box of paste
you would have the whole room papered and smoothed for about £20-£30
which will be much cheaper than polycells wonder products that don't work and rolls and rolls of sandpaper to deal with the mess
plus think of all the dust
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bobbie-dazzler
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To rosshardy and lovely boy, appologies I meant to get back before and answer, but I forgot 
I'm off to work, but I will get back to you both this evening and tell you, but its bl00dy hard graft and a lot of prep, I did offer to line it, but time was getting on, and didnt have the time to go off and get the LP, but in all fairness it didnt take me that long, as I had other jobs to do there in the meantime, so I could get back to it in between waiting for paint to dry. lol
Will explain this evening.
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LovelyBoy
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Hi Tim'll,
Yeah, I agree that the basecoat from Polycell was an unnecessary expense. The coverage of the filler underneath was not as good as I expected. The dust aint great also. I've got my dust masks with valves and goggles .
On the plus side, I've got time, so I'm very keen so hear Bobbie-D's work on how she brought that wall back to life!
Thanks,
LB
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LovelyBoy
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Bobbie-dazzler,
You'll have the plasterer’s outta work! I'm almost feeling guilty asking you how you achieved the finished wall. There may be some secret mysterious dark mojo involved that has been passed down the generations...
Still, I'll look forward to cheeking back.
I can believe it really is hard work and a lot of prep, but I'm definitely up for it!
Thanks very much Bobbie-dazzler.
LB
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bobbie-dazzler
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Hi All,
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I'm guessing (hopefully) that there's more to her solution than skimming...
LB.[/quote]
Hi Lovelyboy and rosshardy, yes LB there was no skimming of plaster involved, just making good with filler, and some bits had the one coat plaster that I carry around with me.
I am trying to resize another pic of the same, but with the filling and one coat plaster to give you an idea how much was involved, but this is how I did it, and I have done this loads of times, but like I said you need patience, lol.
When I had stripped the paper off and you see the state of the wall in the above pic, I gave it a good rub down, but what happens quite a lot is that after you have sanded it, and gone away or left it for a few hours, or overnight, it will start to flake up again,and then you need to sand it again, so you have to stop it flaking up.
After the rub down, by hand, I rarely use a sander, I gave the wall a wash over with diluted PVA, this will stop any future flaking or peeling of the wall, till your ready for the next bit.
One the PVA has dried, then you start your filling, dont go heavy handed, just skim over with the filler where it needs it, when dry, again sand, and again go over with filler if needed, then go over it with the diluted PVA again.
This will seal your filler, as you will probabaly have to fill on top of the filler you have just filled, (know what I mean) lol, if you are going to put on filler on top of filler, then it needs to be protected, cause as soon as you roll, it will lift the filler onto your roller, or crumble and crack, you can seal it with oilbase UC, but I find the diluted PVA works better for me, and dries so quickly.
Now you have filled, Pvaed and filled again, and its dry, it might look okay to you, and you might think, I dont need to fill anymore, so you can either put a thin coat of paint on it, just to see if there is any bits you have missed, or run your hand over the wall, and you will feel if there is any more filling to be done.
I do slightly thinner coats of paints when I come up against this, and I always use matt, I had used gliddens magnolia on the pic.
Now I know its easier to line, but you still have to do your prep, and on the wall in the pic, no lining paper would have covered it unless I had at least done half of the prep, and I would still have PVAed the filler, as if you dont, and you have loads of filler, it can react to the paste and blow under the paper.
As I hang LP at least 75% of my jobs, I know what will show through the paper, and I always use 1400, sometimes 1200.
I am a prefectionist, and I do go over the top with my jobs at times, but I cant help it, its the way I am made, but when it comes to decorating, I do have loads of patience, as I really love the job that I do.
As soon as I can get this resizing thru microsoft sorted out, I will show the pic, I had a nightmare last time, and Blu had to do it for me, I wish had the same patience for blasted computers like I do for decorating. 
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Thankyou Hoovie for helping me out with the resizing, you are a star. 
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LovelyBoy
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Hi B-D
Sincere thanks for taking the trouble to post up a comprehensive reply. I'm impressed with your attention to detail and obvious real enthusiasm for P&D.
I'm gonna try your approach at the weekend. When I've made some progress, I'll post up the results. I'll likely persist with the orbital - too much to do by hand for me. No doubting that the end result will be proportional to the effort put in (and skill or lack thereof!)
I'm using Crown Pure Brilliant White matt emulsion for undercoating and Dulux Retail matt emulsion (magnolia  ) for the topcoating.
As Arnie would say: "I'll be back!"
Again, thanks a lot B-D.
LB.
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