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RedOrBrown
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: Post-Certification of DIY Electrical work |
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A DIY friend has recently installed recessed halogens in his own kitchen and bathrooms, plus extractor fans - probably venturing into Part P territory. This has become an issue as he is about to sell his house - is it possible to have the work certified legally by a qualified electrician/inspector, or is he going to jail?
My apologies if this question has been asked elsewhere - I haven't had time to read the entire forum.
Qualified advice would be much appreciated. |
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Rich-Ando
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you might get one to test it but they probably won't certify it properly as it needed to be inspected in stages.
you are correct that both those areas are Part P which wouldn't have mattered if he had told BC before he started.
if he has installed ordinary spotlights he will be in trouble because no sparky will pass them. hopefully he has installed fire-rated ones. |
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IDontBelieveIt
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Agree with Rich on this one, Rich is usually right (well 99.999999% of the time).
Lie low claim it was done before Part-P came into effect if asked.
I think it's a life sentence for such a crime as not filing under Part-P, you are better with off armed robbery of a few banks then you only get a weeks community service.
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Stoday
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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As the lights are recessed, it seems to me that they are not in the room, so you don't need to notify. That's what I would say if caught out. It would have to go to court to determine the meaning and no one's going to pay for that.
Much the same with a bathroom. If you look at the definition in the Statutory Instrument 2006 No. 652:
"special location" means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower
You will see that work in only part of the bathroom has to be notified. If the lights in the bathroom are outside the zones, you don't have to notify.
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mike delta
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Hi,
Well; if your mate is selling his house then a prospective buyers solicitor will in all likelihood ask for a guarantee on the wiring. Therefore a periodic will be required. If the wiring and equipment isn't upto scratch it's not the end of the world for your mate. If It fails, it fails.
More importantly the area of failure will be stipulated. The tester will recommend what needs to be done and may even offer to correct it himself (for a fee of course). If not, your mate then hires a reputable sparks, shows him the failure notice and pays for the work to be done.
In terms of prosecutions, in my area I know of no DIYers being prosecuted by the LBC for carrying out non copliance (electrical) work on their own property. On someone elses property for profit would of course be a different thing.
Anyhow, by the sound of it, if your mate has managed to carry out the work he has done so far without a problem, then he hopefully has enough nounce to put things right before the inspection.
Mike. |
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Rich-Ando
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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IDBI, for the info i don't know, Stoday is very handy  . Devious at rule bending at times as you can see 
Mike, i would agree with you on that. sounds the easiest way forward to me. i've said that before which honestly makes a mockery of the whole situation really doesn't it?
something Stoday posted before on another thread was a good point too, something like, get it tested now and all submitted, 10 years later you come to sell the house, how many people do you think will still know where those forms are?
i've read a few cases where people were prosecuted but they were people doing electrical work and charging. i can't say i have heard of any home owner being done for it, i can't see they would be either. |
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Stoday
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If you are selling, you'll get a form from the solicitor asking if any electrical work has been done since Jan 2005. You can honestly answer "No notifiable work done" if your interpretation of the part P rules is that it need not be notified.
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IDontBelieveIt
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And don't forget that Part-P actually came into law 30th March 2005 due to a mess up in the legislation, it was meant to be come active as Stods said Jan 2005. Comes as no surprise with Prescott 'managing' the legislation.
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handyman
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get it inspected, the inspector fails it for some stupid reasons, and get the stupid reasons fixed, get him back, and get a nice shinny certificate.
I would think they would pass it with a remark of 'unable to check pulled through wiring' or something similarly vague. If he didnt, then knowone would ever get a pass cert, unless they fully disassembled the house, or completely rewired the house first.
British Gas pass installations after inspections, even if they haven't fitted it.
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handyman
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surely i cant be correct?
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IDontBelieveIt
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| surely i cant be correct? |
Correct - you are not correct
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scofic
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Bonding (16th edition) |
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Cold Main Fed by plastic pipe, all pipework in house in plastic apart from bits you can see. Kitchen and Utility sink have no copper.
Is a 10mm earth not required..? |
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aptsys
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| if he has installed ordinary spotlights he will be in trouble because no sparky will pass them. hopefully he has installed fire-rated ones. |
There is no requirement to install fire rated spotlights in a normal two storey house so that comment isn't really valid. |
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Rich-Ando
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if you say so  |
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aptsys
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What reg says otherwise?
Domestic 2 storey houses do not have fire rated ceilings except garage ceilings, hence no requirement for fire rated doors etc. (a domestic 2 storey house is classed as one fire zone) |
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