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womtade
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Location: Loughborough, UK
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Paint Tin Help |
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Hi all, I'm conducting research into the process of painting and was wondering if anyone here could help.
Could you tell me about any problems you have, things that annoy you about painting, any tips or tricks anything. This is with regards to any aspect: dripping, paint drying up, colour on tins not matching actual final colour, handling paint brushes, pouring from the tin, difficulties with tin lids, carrying the tins around, absolutely anything.
Thank you so much for any help you could give, it will be massively appreciated!
Tom Wade, Loughborough University, Industrial Design & Technology
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dewaltdisney
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For unused paint remaining in a can there should be a plastic inner lid that you can slip in to the can and lay it on top of the paint for storage so that it keeps the air off the top surface. A finger grip would also be useful.
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Telmay
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Location: Worthing, West Sussex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I never have any problems as I am so good 
OK to help you, here goes;
things that annoy you about painting - nothing annoys me about it apart from other tradesmen's opinions of painters & decorators, we work hard to cover up all their defective work and just get slagged off 
tips or tricks - Keep your oil base brushes in a brushmate, you can add owatrol floatrol to water based paints to eliminate brush marks and improve the wet edge of the paint, get used to tea/coffee without sugar as lots of old folk dont have sugar anymore, always paint in a well ventilated room.
dripping - be careful and never overload your brush or the object/item being painted to avoid sagging and drips.
paint drying up - Floatrol can extend the dry time of water base whilst dryers can decrease the dry time of oil base paints, but beware wrinkling when using dryers.
colour on tins not matching actual final colour There will always be a difference, if your really fused about this or your customer may be the best advice is to get a colour sampler pot and paint several a3 size sheets of paper and put them in different places in your room to be decorated and look at them in different lights at different times of the day to make sure your selection is good.
handling paint brushes I tend to use my hands and can paint with both my left and right, however its all up to you if you want try something a little freestyle.
pouring from the tin, difficulties with tin lids, carrying the tins around I have no problems with tins what so ever
absolutely anything I get a burning sensation when passing water do I need to see someone?
If you need anymore info, and maybe a little more serious you need to be a bit more precise about what you need to know and why, this will help for a more constructive reply
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Welsh Decorator
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You sound like your back on SF  |
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polecat
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I was going to say the same thing sure that came up a few years back  Did you just copy and paste Telmay
One thing that annoys me is the 10ltr 15ltr and 20ltr plastic emo "tins" when they are full and you are trying to load up your kettle, even after tipping it into your tray/scuttle it still goes everywhere. Even worse when its Dulux Trade emo boy that gear is thick, it won't pour........won't pour......won't pour........splash! half the tin comes out everywhere   |
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Telmay
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Never cut and paste polecat, unless I wrote it in the first place -
Dont get me wrong not a rant I was just bored at the time
And we do not mention the SF word again enough said on that one |
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Welsh Decorator
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bobbie-dazzler
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I'm with polecat regarding the 10 ltr tubs, for one, they are quite heavy for little ole me to pick up, and they are nightmare to pour out.
What I tend to do, is scoop some of the paint out into my kettle, or try, till at least I have used a quarter, then I find it easier to to pour from the tub.
As to lids it drives me mad, I am so careful, and wipe round the rim ect, but sods law, I have trouble getting the lid back on after a couple times of using the oilbase.
I have no probs with dripping paint, and am very happy with my brushes, cant think of anything else at the moment.
Perhaps your next question could be..... 'what annoys you the most on your jobs' 
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peter c
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Because of the problems of pouring Dulux Trade Emulsion I have bought a couple of large soup ladles from Makro that I use to get the paint into the roller tray. In addition I use a couple of spatulas (the type used to clear mixing bowls) to get the last of the paint from the ladles.
But there again I am probably a tight git!
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feva
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| i agree about the 10L+ tubs, but i think of anything else at the moment |
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Welsh Decorator
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Paint Tin Help |
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| womtade wrote: |
Hi all, I'm conducting research into the process of painting and was wondering if anyone here could help.
Could you tell me about any problems you have, things that annoy you about painting, any tips or tricks anything. This is with regards to any aspect: dripping, paint drying up, colour on tins not matching actual final colour, handling paint brushes, pouring from the tin, difficulties with tin lids, carrying the tins around, absolutely anything.
Thank you so much for any help you could give, it will be massively appreciated!
Tom Wade, Loughborough University, Industrial Design & Technology |
Can you be a little specific? Does it relate to all tin sizes or certain ones, plastic or metal? Paint consistancy? It seems a little vaige to me to give a concise answer, a little more info would help. |
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tim'll fix it
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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with a plastic glidden tin the paint dries around the lip and then when you prise the lid off the bits drop in the paint
I would be more impressed to see a clever paint kettle come holder for my 4" roller and brush so I can use both together. I think you can get an open mouthed thing, but cant remember the name
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Have Brush Will Travel
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To be able to buy empty tins would be really useful to pour unused paint into.
Rims around lids that dont hold a load of paint making it hard to wipe it out after you have poured the paint.
In america you can buy a plastic thing that clips onto the side of the tin whn you are pouring it.
15 litre paint tubs are a joke they are toooooooo heavy.
Paint brushes...companies should scrap the highly polished handles..the first thing I do is rub mine down otherwise they are slippery.
Paint kettles..put metal eyelets in where the handle goes into the side of them...after a while they wear and you can easily lose your load, kettle as well.
Can I ask why your asking by the way?
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womtade
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First of all, thank you, I didn't expect such a prompt and prolific response.
to explain: I am working on a redesign of the paint container, and so am looking at any problems with existing products.
Has anyone ever had any problems with the performance of the containers?
eg. handles breaking, lids bending so no longer fit, the container itself being crushed, dents, scrapes, etc.?
Ever any problems with the operation of the containers?
eg. the paint building up so that it's harder to open/close the lid, the dried paint around the rim falling in (great examples, thank you), that sort of thing, so not the container, but what ends up happening with it.
How do you use the container?
Do you stack them on top of each other, what conditions are they kept and transported in? Are they ever dropped from a ladder/roof (either by accident or just to save carrying it), do you rest your brushes across the top? This one is the most vague, but if there are any points you can think of, it would be most welcome.
Thank you all again,
Tom
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Welsh Decorator
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Plastic cans, the lids are a nightmare to get back on, if there is dry paint under the rim, that falls in when opend again. 
Metal lids can bend quite easly, as do the tins.
Plastic cans, again, almost imposible to empty all of the paint from, also where can you recycle the retchid things?.
Brush acros the top, never had a problem there. |
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