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 Post subject: OOps......what to do?
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Got back on my kitchen under cabinet lights today and made a bloody stupid mistake in that I chopped into a buried cable that runs from a spur and feeds the cooker hood and the hob. Cut out straight away and no harm to me so I was grateful. Bloody cable was not running where I thought and my useless effing detector did not pick it up.

So, I have chopped out around 3" either side to expose the wire. Now the area is where I proposed tiling and I am conscious that any join should have access. Is there a way of rejoining the cable so it can be covered over? Hagar do a junction box that can be buried but not sure if this is for the European systems.

Worse comes to worse I can modify the design to have a stainless steel splashback that would allow access to a conventional JB.

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looking through the regs seem to open up a whole can of worms on this one :shock:
526.3

Every connection shall be accessible for inspection, testing and maintenance except the following:

i. A joint designed to be buried
ii. a compund filled or encapsulated joint.
iii. a connection between a cold tail and the heating element as in ceiling heating, floor heating or a trace heating system.
iv. a joint made by welding, soldering, brazing or appropriate compression tool.
v. joints or connections made by the manufacturer not intended to be inspected or maintained.
vi. Equipment complying with BS5733 for a maintenance free accesory and marked with an MF symbol and installed in accordance with the manufacturers instructions.

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the hagar one probably complies with vi of 526.3, I'm interested to hear other people's views on this

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I thought you could bury properly made crimps?????


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ii - a compound-filled or encapsulated joint......

you can get 'encapsulation kits' - meant for outdoor joints I think but could be buried in a wall to comply?

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Yes, I wondered about crimps with heat shrunk insulation sheath. Have to get a sparky with the kit to do that I guess. The twin and earth was not in a conduit and it was just buried in the plaster so I cannot pull it through. The cable has been clipped on one side and as far as I can see the wire is not broken.

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I normally use epoxy resin impregnated shrink sleeve over either soldered or crimped joints. If soldered then the wires should be wound together not just soldered. Western role or other telephone type wire wrapping. I normally stagger the wires so the joints are not together so keeping cable thinner.

Any box will need two as I would guess you need to add some cable.


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Thanks all, my sparky pal is going to fix it with crimps and shrink sleeve tomorrow.

Second time I have hit a cable in 40 years, and two times too many :oops:

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Wouldn't worry about it. I've done loads :lol:

Occupational hazard :wink:

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