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Been doing a job this week where the customer asked for oil based, so I undercoated everything with Crown contract undercoat, it was recommended by a mate so I thought I'd give it a try. It was like the undercoat of old, dried really quickly, and sanded down nicely, well impressed.


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Been doing a job this week where the customer asked for oil based, so I undercoated everything with Crown contract undercoat, it was recommended by a mate so I thought I'd give it a try. It was like the undercoat of old, dried really quickly, and sanded down nicely, well impressed.
The crown next generation + and the johnstones oil undercoat both similar to how it used to be.

The crown next gen gloss was the last one I used regularly, but I found it skinned very quickly.

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Haven't used the gloss, their trade satinwood is very good though and seems to resist yellowing. If I have to use oil based gloss the only one I use now is Berger and it is good stuff, difficult stuff to get hold of, but no yellowing even after a couple of years.


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... it's paraffin for me. Reminds me of when I was a kid and the only heating was a paraffin heater and it was moved from room to room!


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ian gibson wrote:
Haven't used the gloss, their trade satinwood is very good though and seems to resist yellowing. If I have to use oil based gloss the only one I use now is Berger and it is good stuff, difficult stuff to get hold of, but no yellowing even after a couple of years.
I don't think any of the oil satins yellow as badly as the glosses to be fair.

Before the changes I was a big fan of crown oils, and even glidden gloss was magnificent stuff, if a bit grey.

I loved oils and was peed off with the changes. If I was doing newbuilds again I would probably use oils, but I'm quite happy to have moved over for my private jobs, as revisiting them makes for a very easy job.



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Here's a pic of a decent waterbased gloss finish.

Behr paints. Need to try and get hold of some of this.

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Here's a pic of a decent waterbased gloss finish.

Behr paints. Need to try and get hold of some of this.

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That looks good... I wonder how much time it took to get that level of finish ??

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:shock: :shock:

That stuff is meant to be the best out there. Judging by that, its outstanding.

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I've been itching to get some of that gear for ages, but no-one seems to have heard of it, far less source it.

Anyone going on holiday to America? :mrgreen:

EDIT - It's extraordinary how well a surface free from imperfections reflects the light. Wonder if that was sprayed? It tends to increase the shine too.

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wine~o wrote:
fitzy wrote:
Here's a pic of a decent waterbased gloss finish.

Behr paints. Need to try and get hold of some of this.

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That looks good... I wonder how much time it took to get that level of finish ??

I suspect that has either been sprayed or he's painted it lying down and ladled the gloss on.

With the right brush and the undercoat really flatted down prior to finish coats, I can get really good results with water based.

The key for me is to absolutely pile the glosses on and not mess about with them too much and they will level out.



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I've been itching to get some of that gear for ages, but no-one seems to have heard of it, far less source it.

Anyone going on holiday to America? :mrgreen:

EDIT - It's extraordinary how well a surface free from imperfections reflects the light. Wonder if that was sprayed? It tends to increase the shine too.
I'm hearing good stuff about the Benjamin Moore alkyd gloss as well mate. Have you tried that yet?

Expensive I know, but I don't mind too much on trim because the price of a gallon would be split over a few jobs.

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And probably in a dust proof room and if needs be photoshoped a bit. But it looks damn good :-)


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I'm hearing good stuff about the Benjamin Moore alkyd gloss as well mate


Not tried any of the Benjamin Moore stuff yet I'm afraid. I see it's being sold as 85% sheen at 60 degrees, which is very high. Anything over 70% is pretty impressive. Only thing I ever used that was rated higher was Jotalak at 90% and it yellowed like an animal, so essentially useless.

Can't see Benny Moore gear doing that TBH.

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I'm hearing good stuff about the Benjamin Moore alkyd gloss as well mate


Not tried any of the Benjamin Moore stuff yet I'm afraid. I see it's being sold as 85% sheen at 60 degrees, which is very high. Anything over 70% is pretty impressive. Only thing I ever used that was rated higher was Jotalak at 90% and it yellowed like an animal, so essentially useless.

Can't see Benny Moore gear doing that TBH.
I'll let you know when I get some in

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What about the Helmi 80 dyna? Have you tried that?

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