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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:42 pm 
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I take it the guy was Fensa registered, and issued the certificate.


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cotswold builders wrote:
Colour Republic,
If you read the first sentence, the fitter bonded the wall, and told the Op, he can paint over it after 5 days or so, this is obviously not the case as he wouldnt be on here asking about polly-filla.
If you priced to decorate that room, then found out the reveals are not in a position to receive the paint, do you then charge the client extra because its got to be skimmed or filled.
No where have I stated the window fitter is responsible for decoration, again read the first sentence.
What the guy should have told the Op is, Ive fitted the window and bonded the damage I have done, BEFORE you can paint it you or a plasterer will need to skim it, or fill and sand,
He could then have deducted the cost for this.
Remember his wall was in good condition before the fitter turned up.
I follow behind a few of these fitters, and dont ask about the ones removing Crittal windows and not installing lintols.


I'm not trying to argue with you Cotswold I’m just trying to point out I think telling the customer to stop payment is a bit of a overreaction without know the terms of fitting. You're now questioning if the guy is Fensa registered :wtf:

I did read the opening post and what I got out of it was a) it might not be bonding as I know from past experience HO's can sometimes get confused between bonding/finish/one coat and b) he may not have been responsible for making good.

Yes the wall was in good shape before he started but some damage is to be expected when changing windows.

I'm sure you multi-trade but some people don't. Some just stick to their trades and don't consider plastering one of them. If it is bonding then the window fitter is guilty of poor advice saying to paint over it, but nothing more. Window fitters will often make good by gluing on large plastic trims which I think look awful, maybe the client asked not to and he put bonding in instead? Is he then responsible for making a return trip to ensure it's ready for paint? Why are you so sure he's charged for this and it should be deducted from his invoice??

Yes the wall was in good shape before he started but some damage is to be expected when changing windows.

You are aware that some UPVC windows are structural so may not require a lintel when replacing crittle?

The guy may be responsible for making good ready to receive paint but I’d like to know that before I tell someone to stop payment.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:40 pm 
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Colour Republic wrote.
Youre now questioning if the guy is Fensa registered.

Check out Fensa Site.

Colour Republic wrote.
You are aware that some UPVC windows are structural so may not require a lintel when replacing crittle?

Not all windows are structural, I agree that french doors are, structural as in, alumiminium square profile, which isnt the case of all windows fitted, however it is good and proper practice to retro fit lintols, they keep us in work when they have changed the windows, the brickwork has dropped, bowed the frame and cracked the glass.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:48 pm 
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FENSA couldn't give a monkeys knob if the making good is professional or like a two year old has done it. Neither does the window fitter need to be registered.

The FENSA part is just about as relevant as ''was the fitter a member of the GGF''.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:28 pm 
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Royal oak,
You really need to read the sentences properly before spouting of, the making good of plastering is nothing to do with Fensa, where have I said it was.
If the windows are not fitted by Fensa, then they come under building regs.
The tone of your post sounds as if you are better and above than Fensa and building regs.
People reading your post will assume they can just go ahead changing windows without regards to abiding by regs or the relavant bodies.
Try a bit of research before misleading others.


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It certainly does fall under building regs if the window fitter is not registered with FENSA however it is down to the home owner, ultimately, to deal with the building control and not the fitter. Same goes for any building reg job. It isn't the builder that gets in the poop if it isn't applied for but the home owner.

Anyway, my point about FENSA not giving a toot about the making good was just to illustrate that people banding FENSA about as an argument in this post was irrelevant.

cotswold builders wrote:
I take it the guy was Fensa registered, and issued the certificate.


Hmmm a bit ambiguous that and I went ambiguously the opposite to how you mean it lol. Do accept my most shallow apology lol

No need to hit the thank you button.


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FENSA is a joke really, anyone who can fit a shelf can fit windows.

I usually find FENSA fitters to-do a poorer job than regular builders.

A builder has is name/reputation at stake.

At the end of the day, all you can do is ask him to come back and repair the poor making good, if he doesn't make a complaint (if you can), and get on with sorting it out another way. Either yourself or by employing someone.

If he doesn't want to come back, just stop wasting time perusing it, because if he does come back, he will make such a hash of it, it will probably need re-doing.

If he is using bonding as a finished coat, cut your losses and get it sorted by someone else.

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