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Hi folks, the problem is that I have bought a new neff cooker, it has come without a cable and plug, when I phoned the supplier he told me I need an electrician to fix the cable to the unit. Its 2.8 kw, there is a cooker socket on a dedicated radial which the old one was using. The installation instructions for what they are worth say it has to be installed and the first run by a expert. Do we have plug installation experts in the UK now or is this a Part Pism. If I fix the cable myself and plug it in and do the first run will this invalidate the warranty


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Hi Rob,

If it is a oven just stick a plug on the end.

You can get 3kw heaters that run from a plug!

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If it is a single oven then you can plug it in via a 13A plug. If it is a double oven then it needs to be wired to the cooker outlet.

However technically as part p regulation do not allow anyone apart from a qualified electrician to undertake wiring in specific locations i.e. kitchen, bathroom and outside then you are not allowed to install the cooker. As the cooker is a fixed item it falls under this legislation.

I believe that you are allowed to replace like for like, so if the cooker is the same rating as the old one then you could swap it, but I am not an electrician so they could confirm this.

It is not the warranty on the cooker you want to be worrying about it is the fact that if the electrical work is not carried out correctly you may not be able to sell your house in the future.


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You’ve been reading fiction Tim.

You can:
* Replace any socket-outlet, control switch or ceiling rose;
* Replace a damaged cable for a single circuit only;
* Re-fix or replace enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;
* Provide mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation.

Anywhere including in kitchens, gardens etc. There is nothing to say that it has to be like-for-like.

The legislation doesn’t mention ‘specific locations’. Perhaps you mean ‘special locations’. These are defined as:
a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2.

It does not mention ‘outside’ Maybe you are getting mixed up with special installations, which include lighting and power installations in a garden.

Sorry to criticise your post, Tim, but there's so much misconceived rubbish written in forums on part P that I think false statements have to be corrected before everyone gets the wrong message. Some electricians would like you to think that they have a virtual monopoly, but in reality they don't for most wiring you want to do in your own home.


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Hi again just to clarify my problem my 2. 8 kw Neff 1422 single oven came with out a cable with a plug attached. The cable required is not to be lighter than HO5RR-F 300/500 V Rubber Flex cable, QuoteWARNING: "CONNECTION AND FIRST START OF THE APPLIANCE MAY ONLY BE PERFORMED BY AN AUTHORISED SPECIALIST". Is this a spark or an appliance guy. Quote: "On the installation side a separating device shall be provided, Any switch with contact gap exceeding 3 mm may be considered a separation device. Other example are LS switches, (whats that), fuses and contactors" All I wanted to do was buy a cooker that plugged in the dedicated radial cooker socket were the other one came out. I did'nt want to read a commissioned manuel for the Ariane, any futher comments would be apprecitated and thanks to you all for the former posts. Rob[/b]


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Stoday wrote:
You’ve been reading fiction Tim.

You can:
* Replace any socket-outlet, control switch or ceiling rose;
* Replace a damaged cable for a single circuit only;
* Re-fix or replace enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;
* Provide mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation.

Anywhere including in kitchens, gardens etc. There is nothing to say that it has to be like-for-like.

The legislation doesn’t mention ‘specific locations’. Perhaps you mean ‘special locations’. These are defined as:
a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2.

It does not mention ‘outside’ Maybe you are getting mixed up with special installations, which include lighting and power installations in a garden.

Sorry to criticise your post, Tim, but there's so much misconceived rubbish written in forums on part P that I think false statements have to be corrected before everyone gets the wrong message. Some electricians would like you to think that they have a virtual monopoly, but in reality they don't for most wiring you want to do in your own home.


well I am glad to be put right, if this is the case, I have read what I thought were the regs and been told by sparks other things.

The problem is that I dont think anyone does know the truth.


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The truth is out there?


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rob wrote:
The truth is out there?


This sounds like a case for Mulder and Scully!! :wink:


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Still no wiser think I'll phone NASA.


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Hi Rob,

sorry for the late reply, been out of the country.

I can't for the life in me see why NEFF want the oven to be connected by any "specialist", Normally built in ovens are wired to a PLUG and simply plugged into a socket! As you are replacing a like for like unit then partp does not concern you!

The wire should be FLEX and be able to carry the required load and be heat resistant.

I have fitted a few ovens in the past, some come with cable and no plug in most cases, should you wish to wire it directly into a FCU (fused connection unit).

I simply wired the oven up and plugged it in, if I need to claim under the warranty I will of course say that I used an electrician out of the local paper, but I can't remember his name :?

For Neff to specify that the oven needs to be installed by an authorised specialist, makes no sense at all to me! Perhaps there are oven specialists out there :? Personally I'd Take it back and get an oven that you can fit easily without the Messing about that NEFF have caused you.


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Quite right, UHM. Neff are just making sure thare can't be any come-back if some cack handed d*ckhead bu99ers it up.


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Thanks for your replies gentleman I am going to phone Neff for a mega moan in the morning,doing the kitchen and having more problems trying to stick to the letter of the law then doing the job, is there any laws about breathing. I will post there reply, goodnight and thanks once again.


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stoday you have been on the bog since Friday, is there no cure


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Thanks for your replies gentleman I am going to phone Neff for a mega moan in the morning,doing the kitchen and having more problems trying to stick to the letter of the law then doing the job, is there any laws about breathing. I will post there reply, goodnight and thanks once again.


Great stuff Rob, thanks for keeping us informed!


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rob wrote:
stoday you have been on the bog since Friday, is there no cure


It's worse than that, rob. I've been on the bog since I joined this forum.

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