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 Post subject: Makeshift van security
PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:22 pm 
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Finished work early today, so I did this to my van:-
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Been meaning to do it for a while. The idea is that it's supposed to stop thieves peeling back the doors. No idea how effective it is (if at all), but for the sake of a couple of quid for carpet grippers I decided it can't do any harm...

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chrrris wrote:
I decided it can't do any harm...

Except to potential thieves - hopefully :mrgreen:

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I've seen a few pics of people doing this. Great idea. My neighbour has it along the top of his fence!


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You've applied the gripper rods upside down. The pointy bits should be pointing up... :tongue3:

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wine~o wrote:
You've applied the gripper rods upside down. The pointy bits should be pointing up... :tongue3:

Braw for catching a pikey/junkie/thieving set of fingers :lol:

A paddy must've tried to rob this on :lol:


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wine~o wrote:
You've applied the gripper rods upside down. The pointy bits should be pointing up... :tongue3:

Nails pointing down is supposed to be more brutal, apparently.
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If you watch a video of it being done, they use a crowbar to open the top up enough to slide the fingers down, then knee against the middle of the door and pull the top down by hand (usually two blokes pulling on it together).

Not the police would be overly interested, but spikey bits down should collect a fair bit more DNA :-)

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steviejoiner74 wrote:
A paddy must've tried to rob this on :lol:

Looks like someone was trying to escape from it :lol:

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Saw this on a Facebook group and the question was asked if the gripper interferes or damages the rubbers. As I was led to understand the crims have adopted this method so they don't have to carry tools such as crowbars meaning they can't be arrested or charged for going equipped .


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A load of vans in my area got robbed last year and they just cut a hole in the side of the van or roof with a cordless grinder.


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Grendel wrote:
Saw this on a Facebook group and the question was asked if the gripper interferes or damages the rubbers.

It doesn't appear to interfere with the door rubbers on my van (Transit Connect), but it probably does depend on the van. In the pic you can see that the rubber seal runs right along the top edge of the door, and there's sill a lip of 3 or 4mm. The nails certainly go nowhere near the rubber, but perhaps the edge of the wooden strip compresses it slightly. Will let you know how it looks in a few weeks...

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You do realise that if one of the little scrotes injures them-self on the gripper rod you could be prosecuted, you're not allowed to booby trap your property any more. :cussing:

You can cover yourself by warning them though!! :roll:

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Anyone who owns, or controls, property has a legal duty of care to protect people on the property from foreseeable harm. This duty extends to people on the property without permission – including burglars and vandals. A householder could be sued for damages under the Occupier’s Liability Act 1984 if a burglar is injured whilst on their property. The test will be whether the householder could have predicted that a trespasser was likely to be injured. If broken glass has deliberately been placed at a likely entry-point, any subsequent injury suffered will have been entirely foreseeable.

Discharging the Duty
A householder may be able to discharge this duty by warning trespassers of the hazard or by discouraging them from coming onto the property. This could be done by putting up a sign that warns of the danger: “Attention – Razor Wire on Wall!” and invites trespassers not to risk hurting themselves: “Keep Out!”. If a householder was sued, the court would consider all the circumstances of the case before deciding whether the householder was, in fact, liable for damages.

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ayjay wrote:
You do realise that if one of the little scrotes injures them-self on the gripper rod you could be prosecuted, you're not allowed to booby trap your property any more. :cussing:

I don't really have a problem ignoring that law, and dealing with the consequences if I ever have to, TBH. :-)

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I can't see some scrote suing if it means the police can check his DNA against the database.


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steviejoiner74 wrote:
A load of vans in my area got robbed last year and they just cut a hole in the side of the van or roof with a cordless grinder.


That's also come up on Facebook,
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3503146 ... 9051199772


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Grendel wrote:
steviejoiner74 wrote:
A load of vans in my area got robbed last year and they just cut a hole in the side of the van or roof with a cordless grinder.


That's also come up on Facebook,
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3503146 ... 9051199772

I think the main driving factor behind this type of crime is that the risk of being caught is very low, and the punishment even if they are caught is minimal. I know a few people whose vans have been done over and all the police do is issue a crime number for you to pass on to your insurance company. They don't even attend.

For anyone who has no moral qualms about stealing working people's livelihoods, it's a very low risk crime. That's the real problem :cussing:

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