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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:48 pm 
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Yes - there is another lock below this one (almost certain it's a 5 lever mortice).
Thanks for the info though...I've become a little casual with my front door and only use the night latch (and you're posts are giving me nightmares now!). As it happens, I was going to post a query on the mortice lock:
It appears to have been 'turned' (god knows how...I suspect one of the kids poked a different key in and as turned it) to the point where the key won't fit. Is this a simple fix i.e. can I unscrew this from the door then manually turn the lock so it's open (and therefore accessible to the key?).
Presumably I'd need to purchase a whole new mortice lock if this broke/keys lost, rather than a quick cylinder refit?

I'll take a pic to see if you can identify the type via the picture.


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someone-else wrote:
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Screwfix sell a brand called Smith & Locke for a few quid cheaper - any good?


Would you buy cheap tools knowing you want them to last and be reliable?

Spend the money on a decent lock (The Yale one)

Its a pity you don't live near me.............

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I don't need it (Too big) but the cylinder would be ok for yours


Thanks SE - yes, I guess the hassle, time and cost (I'd obviously pick up the postage) wouldn't be worth it sent through the post (unless you're South Manchester based!) but thank you very much anyway.
I want to get it fixed before the weekend as we're likely to be away.


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Regarding the mortice lock, what happens (or doesn't happen) Yes you can take them out (Usually 2 small screws then 2 big screws) but it doesn't make it that much easier.

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somapop wrote:
As it happens, I was going to post a query on the mortice lock:
It appears to have been 'turned' (god knows how...I suspect one of the kids poked a different key in and as turned it) to the point where the key won't fit. Is this a simple fix i.e. can I unscrew this from the door then manually turn the lock so it's open (and therefore accessible to the key?).


All I can think of is that something like a screwdriver may have been used. If you look at the pic below there's an insert where the barrel of the key fits, it's possible to turn that (but not with a key) and then the key won't enter the lock. It shouldn't be difficult to turn it back if that is the problem. Not all deadlocks have this feature.

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^^ Exactly that Ayjay - I'll have a look to see if I can do that (I've a slight feeling I'll be facing metal with no gap for a screwdriver to bite into).
I guess if it's entirely 'mashed' (god know how) then it quick look suggests they're around £16.

With the replacement Cylinder, I was just wondering if the locks were pretty much similar but rebranded (the Smith and Locke gather a lot of favourable reviews).
I bought my daughter some swimming flippers last year (Arena)...saw exactly the same ones but unbranded in Decathlon for around half the price.

Still worried over how easy it appears these locks to be compromised!!
Will (if I fix it) lock the mortice from now on (we are alarmed and now have a dog...but still!)


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ayjay wrote:
All I can think of is that something like a screwdriver may have been used. If you look at the pic below there's an insert where the barrel of the key fits, it's possible to turn that (but not with a key) and then the key won't enter the lock. It shouldn't be difficult to turn it back if that is the problem. Not all deadlocks have this feature.


Hi ayjay - shone a bright LED into the hole and spotted the 'bit' I could potentially turn with a screwdriver...one second later...all fixed!
Cheers...will use this lock ALL the time now!
Will update with the cylinder fix.
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somapop wrote:
ayjay wrote:
All I can think of is that something like a screwdriver may have been used. If you look at the pic below there's an insert where the barrel of the key fits, it's possible to turn that (but not with a key) and then the key won't enter the lock. It shouldn't be difficult to turn it back if that is the problem. Not all deadlocks have this feature.


Hi ayjay - shone a bright LED into the hole and spotted the 'bit' I could potentially turn with a screwdriver...one second later...all fixed!
Cheers...will use this lock ALL the time now!
Will update with the cylinder fix.
Many thanks!


Did you lose both keys ?

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