im sure everyone on the site will join me in expressing their sympathies to the families of people affected by the riots, any site members who live in areas affected i hope you and your family are ok and that you continue to remain that way, lets hope the situation can be resolved as quickly and peacefully as possible without further loss of life or livelihood.....

Water canons for a start off and sod the do gooders and bleeding hearts.

Then give everyone convicted 20 years minimum.

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i'm with the old fart
the working man/woman will be paying for this for the next decade or so in higher taxes & insurance
i've just about got a pot to p*ss in but you don't see me rioting in the streets of Inverness
life isn't fair, get over it! it is up to you to make a better life for yourself, it shouldn't be up to me to fund your big f*ck telly

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Insurance won't pay out for 'riot' (check the small print) therefore it falls to the local police to pay and if they can't then it's back to the taxpayer..... same old story, ain't it

Scenes like this have been predicted for a long time now. Apart from the opportunists that are always ready to take advantage of police 'distractions' you could hardly blame 'some' people for seeing how politicians can steal from the public purse and go scot free, how bankers can bring the economy down and get massive bonuses, how 'captains of industry' can either ruin their business (and get a golden handshake) or charge rip-off prices and beggar the public, sack workers and get paid ludicrous wages for the privelidge, people on the public payroll getting extortionate wages, fcuking up the local services and then getting handsome payoffs and mega pensions...... it's endless. These people are parasites in many eyes.

We have a society where 'some' can get away with 'robbery' by legal means and others who see this happening and want a slice for themselves - except the 'rules' mean they can't do it 'legally' so they resort to what's left - violence and uprising.

We need to understand something - this is only the start. The economy has yet to go to total ratsh1t but it isn't far away. The people have no say in how their lives are run and ruined. Too many are disenfranchised and seethign with anger.

Right now we see the uneducated, the low lifes, the (yes, I'll say it) unnecessary and unwanted immigrants having their golden opportunity. What the government fails to see is that the rest of the population, the so-far law-abiding people, the Mr and Mrs Averages, gradually realising that they are being sold down the river by those who are supposed to represent and protect them and our way of life. The rot has started. It won't stop now. It WILL get worse. And the politicians will STILL think they are doing what's right for 'us'........ like fcuk.

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Ttotal media blackout at the moment...but if you do a little digging you will find that a lot oof football supporters etc have taken to the streets..

In East and West London

In Eltham south east london..(300 Millwall) the rioters turned back and headed for Woolwich...they wont go near the place

In Enfield...100 odd outside a pub

And the word is spreading....

About time too!!! proper justice.

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That is very sad to here about this . I hope all the best to everyone . We had something similar a few months ago in Vancouver . It seems like the younger generation are getting crazier all the time .

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Spending the second night away from home because the shops below my flat were being looted last night. We had to wake up the boys at ten pm and take them on a Pyjama adventure to Nanny's house.

Looters driving Audi R6 and A3 whcih weren't even stolen. Speaking punjabi interspersed with English.

People were walking up to doors and offering flat screen telly's for sale. The youth a rerunning a league table of whose suburb had the best riot. Croydon is close to the top.

I am on the point of only leaving the house when I am armed because they are starting to rob people now all the electrical goods, pawn shops, jewellers, bookies and sports stores have been done.

Does anyone know of any jobs going for skilled multitrade outside London? Preferably not in any major cities. I am either arming myself or moving out.

The only solution to this mess in London is the suspension of "human rights." If tonight goes off again, the army will be on the streets. Paramilitaries have already been spotted. I hope Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are proud of a job well done since 1997.

Actually Jozeffo you are lucky they didn't torch the place after they robbed it.

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Jozeffo i hope you your wife and boys are ok . How awful i think all decent people are lost for words now . It is anarchy now , those who are doing this have no respect for nothing or no one.
Hope you all get through this .
i wish yous all hope and safety.

We need to make examples by harshly punishing a few more.

Like the student who threw a fire extinguisher at police from the top of Milbank Tower. He got sent down for 30 months, whining that he'd been punished too harshly.

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It was quiet last night because the town centre was locked down and riot police were called in from all over the south east. There was a perimiter set up and the riot vehicles and meatwagons maintained a constantly moving cordon to prevent people congregating.

And too many people like you making excuses for them...

The last few days have been about total greed and thuggery..with no excuse.

Blame the government eh...yeh lets give em more dole money to buy mobiles, nice cars and clothes..do you honestly think that all the people out there were the poor down trodden impoverished 'yoot' of today?...they crawled from the road side side...starving after a day of begging and picking up scraps of food and managed to drag their weakened bodies out to smash a load of shop windows set fire to hops and cars and openly mug people on the street in order to get some money to buy a few morsels of food in order purely to survive?

The idiot copper ask parents to check where there kids were and control them...I wonder how many have turned their kids in after they come home with a 42 inch plasma?

Whats the cure?...nice group hug maybe?..dont prosecute them...send them on a nice safari somewhere or take em quad biking..just make sure you keep making excuse for their behavior..after all, they didnt mean to do it did they.

Big fan of Ken livingston and Dianne Abbot are you?

Im just glad the police didnt used plastic bullets on them..the civil rights brigade (who wouldnt recognise an inner city if it was sent to them on a postcard) would be in overdrive...

Pass the Rose coloured specs..............

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I also send my wishes to those who have been affected by these attrocities especially you Jozeffo.

I dont know how to respond to this. I cannot understand how anyone would do this and destroy innocent people's lives. Even if they do get insurance (one news reporter said that some might) they still have to live with what they have seen, the hardship that arises from mindless destruction and trying to rebuild lives.

I don't know who to blame, maybe some of it is the cuts but how else can we as a country get out of one trillion pounds debt? Currently we have one of the best credit ratings because of the cuts. I don't have a lot of disposable income but I never would do this as I was brought up with respect for others (I am 37).

I have been reading and listening to as much as I can from all different media angles and part of me thinks that it is thugs who want a fight, who want something for nothing and know that they will probably get away with it. The messages on Blackberry that were intercepted were callling for all gangs across London to unite, have fun, have a fight and get some money. I also gather that even though some are bored, want excitment and follow the herd, some are more calculated and know what they want and manipulate others into getting their goals (Jewelery/tv's etc).

I have heard that we have some of the best police and riot officers but that they cannot do their job because of nervousness about what the consequences may be if they do their job. Personally I wish they did use rubber bullets/tazers/water cannons/tear gas etc and made them realise that they do the crime then they will get punished. I do however understand why they are not keen as if it goes wrong we live in a country where the police can be sued for helping others.

I would rather not call in the army just yet as I would like the police to sort it out so that they have the authority for any future problems or just day to day crime.

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No, but I'd have no doubt that you'd make a living - good tradesmen always find a way. I live in a pretty sleepy town, and to be honest, I've never known it so bad in terms of the amount of building work out there, but it still is out there.

I just can't imagine waking my kids up in the circumstances you describe. Best of luck fella, and hope things work out for you. I just try to think that however much low life is out there, there's a lot more of the good guys and girls out there - a lot on this forum - who quite happily help out people for no other reason than they want to help out people.

Best,

I would take offence at your suggestion that I'm in support of these thugs in any way or form.

Let's get this straight - this opportunistic, mindless, self-serving, 'gangsta', underclass should be lined up and (if not thrown out of this country) shot on sight. I do not support them or condone their actions in any way. They have been afforded opportunities and benefits the like of which are unheard of in the rest of the civilised world and they are p*ssing on the people who make that possible for them.

What we are seeing is the 'fringe' of the disgruntlement of society. This is nothing 'new' to historians and but one step along the road to a total breakdown of society. The opportunists (the scum) are the first to recognise a situation where they 'might' get away with looting based on the 'goodie two-shoes' (Guardianista) section of population that will defend their actions based on the poor little dears not getting enough government support. But do the politicians realise that the vast majority of the population are starting to realise (finally) that it is THEY who are being fcuked over - taxed to support this underclass, over-charged by anyone who can get away with it, sold down the river by their leaders, lied to etc etc?

The headlines are all about the riots and the despicable scenes therein and the political leaders will spout the same old rhetoric about 'maintaining order' but they will STILL carry on selling the UK to Europe, STILL go on lining their own pockets, STILL ignore the vast majority who are teetering on the edge financially, STILL go on allowing bankers, government employees and big business take the public for a ride......

Diverting attention from the REAL issues is manna for the government and so long as they can keep the 'riots' in the public domain the gradual errosion of what you and I have worked for all our lives will continue - right under your very eyes - and the rot will not stop. Not untill the PUBLIC as a whole realise that rioting is (perhaps) the only way to get things done.

I don't know about you (out there) but I see these thugs and opportunists attacking corner shops and I despair but when they are kicking down the doors of banks I tend to say.... 'meh'.... if they were on the doorstep of parliament instead I'd be on the first train down there myself.

So, to surmise, I DO NOT condone the looting, I DO NOT have sympathy for the rioters. I DO, however, see this as the start of the downward spiral of society as a whole. The underlying disgruntlement isn't a monopoly of the looters......

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