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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:46 pm 
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Hi, new to the site but have a burning question. My new boss is adamant that you hang lining paper horizontally if it is to be painted but for the life of me , I've never ever heard of this. Yes hang horizontally before you wallpaper on top but I've always been taught and hear that it's only vertically if it's to be painted. Am I right? I only ask this as my boss is telling the young ones to hang horizontally but I'm sure he's wrong. I don't want the young ones being taught wrong! Help!! I've been a painter for over 30 years and third generation painter as well!


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Your new boss is dead wrong. Horizontally under finish paper, but vertically for emulsion. Why he would think otherwise is odd.

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I agree! He is so adamant about it that I was doubting my own mind and experience. He says it's quicker to do it that way which is maybe a reason but I've never found it to be much quicker and the edges show up so much. Should I say something to him. I've already told him that I won't change and if he insists I will be on my way! As I say, fir the life of me , I've no idea why he would think it is the right way! :dunno:


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Must say I've always hung horizontally for both finish paper and emulsion.

I just find it quicker to do it that way and the end result is the same.

I don't have any problems with joints showing though.


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Provided your seams don't show, it'll work going horizontally. Just goes against the grain (pun not intended) of how I was taught. :salute:

I remember my first boss always being more insistent on which side you pasted and which one was showing. The 'rough' side got pasted if you were painting, as the 'smooth' side was better for paint. Vice-versa for lining, where you wanted the 'rough' side outward for more grip.

No sure if anyone will bother with that these days.

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Personally, I always hang it vertically if I am painting in. There is now question that it is easier to hang wallpaper vertically and no question that the finished wall after it has been painted looks just as good with vertically hung paper.

The question from Boopinter is a classic example of someone in a leadership position who is stuck in their ways and not willing to show any flexibility, usually because of their stupid pride. We often hear time-served decorators claim the only correct way to learn the trade is to serve an apprenticeship under an experienced decorator; but what if the experienced decorator is doing things incorrectly? All that does is pass those bad habits on to the next generation.

There is a time-served (40+ years) chap living near me. Goodness knows what apprentices would have learned from him as I have heard nothing but negative comments about him, not only about his standard of work, but his customers services (or lack of them!). Just because someone has been working in the trade for a long time doesn't mean they would be a good source of knowledge.

Thank goodness for YouTube and other means of learning. Granted, YouTube carried a lot of videos giving poor advice but it is fairly easy to spot these if you read the comments underneath them.

I learned my trade using various methods, not least of which was asking questions on here. Videos played a big part too and over the last ten years I have modified my practices several times after getting advice from different sources.



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OK. To clarify.

Not having a pop at anyone who chooses to hang laterally for emulsion, as I've seen it done often to good effect, with no visible seam work. Any good hanger should be able to switch between either method.

Just never felt comfortable doing it that way, and the guy who trained me had a thing against it, so it rubbed off pretty hard i suspect.

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Provided your seams don't show, it'll work going horizontally. Just goes against the grain (pun not intended) of how I was taught. :salute:

I remember my first boss always being more insistent on which side you pasted and which one was showing. The 'rough' side got pasted if you were painting, as the 'smooth' side was better for paint. Vice-versa for lining, where you wanted the 'rough' side outward for more grip.

No sure if anyone will bother with that these days.
I once mentioned the rough and smooth side to another decorator and he didn't believe me.

Maybe it's an old fashioned thing mate? Modern lining papers do seem to be very refined and same on both sides.

Could just be for the thicker liners?

For many years I used to use 1200 grade and fill the seams for emulsion, until I worked with another decorator on a job. He was using 1000 grade and said he used it because the seams nipped up nicely and didn't need any filling, and it was more flexible for wrapping corners and reveals etc.

I've rarely used anything thicker than 1000 since.

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dynamod wrote:
OK. To clarify.

Not having a pop at anyone who chooses to hang laterally for emulsion, as I've seen it done often to good effect, with no visible seam work. Any good hanger should be able to switch between either method.

Just never felt comfortable doing it that way, and the guy who trained me had a thing against it, so it rubbed off pretty hard i suspect.

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Spot on dyna!

Sometimes I hang horizontally & vertically in a room, for example horizontally on broad walls and vertically between doors or basically anywhere that's narrower than the width of paper.



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Maybe it's an old fashioned thing mate? Modern lining papers do seem to be very refined and same on both sides.

Could just be for the thicker liners?


Not really noticed any difference for a good number of years. There used to be a distict feel to both sides, but so many specialist liners aound these days, the bog standard pulp stuff will be much of a uniformity I'd think.

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I always hang horizontal and sand edges of painting however each to their own method.

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I've rarely used anything thicker than 1000 since.


Lining a staircase for emulsion just now, and using Erufurt Mav 2000 grade, and it has surprised the life out of me. Pliabe enough to go round an external radius without incident, and butts up at the seams lovely too. It needs at least 5-10 minutes book time. but not the horror I expected it might be.

Normally never go over 1200, and default to 1000 on most jobs. :salute:

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I've rarely used anything thicker than 1000 since.


Lining a staircase for emulsion just now, and using Erufurt Mav 2000 grade, and it has surprised the life out of me. Pliabe enough to go round an external radius without incident, and butts up at the seams lovely too. It needs at least 5-10 minutes book time. but not the horror I expected it might be.

Normally never go over 1200, and default to 1000 on most jobs. :salute:


The MAV and Graham & Brown are particular favorites of mine.



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Incidentally, Crown are doing lining paper as part of their monthly offers from next Monday the 13th.

Erfurt red label QUAD rolls £5.32 for 1200 and £4.72 for 1000. That's including vat.

Think I'll be having some of that, or asking Jonnos to price match.

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That's almost giving it away. :shock:

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