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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:32 pm 
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Hi,

I have a problem with some lights. Not sure if tenants have been playing around with wiring.

At the bottom of the stairs I have a Switch for two lights. one for downstairs landing and one for upstairs landing. At the top of the stairs there is a single switch to just control the light upstairs.

I have found if i turn the light on from downstairs switch. I cannot turn it off upstairs, both on and off leave the upstairs light on.

Also find I think if i turn the light on upstairs with the upstairs switch. I cannot turn it off downstairs.

I bought a new Switch for upstairs, installed that however same result. bought a 1 way 2 gang?
Looked at the wiring on downstairs switch
Does it look how it should ?


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 Post subject: Re: Lighting switches
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:34 pm 
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Sadly there is no such thing as this wire shalt go there, its up to how who ever wired it chose to wire it.
You can either swap them round till you get the right configuration or find where the middle is, and see what is connected there. I wish it was easier.

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No such thing as "Thou shalt put this wire here, Thou shalt put that wire there" .............Take a picture BEFORE you do the job.

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Is the problems caused by the downstairs switch being wired incorrectly?

I know my tenants wallpapered and can tell that they must have removed the switch cover to do so, possibly a wire disconnected and replaced in the wrong slot ?



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As I said, it is down to how who ever wired it chose to wire it. So its not possible to say which switch is wrong :cb

If you think / know they "adjusted" the bottom switch and it worked before they did so, and now it doesn't then logically this would be where the problem is.

As I have said it really is a case of try all possible combinations till it works.

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NOTE: Often 2 way switching uses a 3 core (and earth) and one twin and earth.
The 3 core has red, blue and yellow, the twin is just red and black
Most would say the Red goes in C terminal
When I learned it was that Yellow goes in the C terminal

The thing is that if I had wired some thing I would do it as I learned, and others would do it as they learned, both would work, but neither is the same colour configuration. So as shown, its down to how who ever wired it, chose to wire it.

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The downstairs switch is wrong. One of the red wires is in the wrong place, unfortunately I cannot tell which one from your photo. A photo showing more of the cables will help.


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The bottom left red - should be in the top left terminal - what is side is the top of the switch, left or right ?

The blue wire is a common link to the other switch

The upstairs switch need a sleeve on the earth, tbh as its rented you need a professional to do this job otherwise you are liable, your allowed to kill you self in your own home - but killing someone else is manslaughter


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flash22 wrote:
The upstairs switch need a sleeve on the earth, tbh as its rented you need a professional to do this job otherwise you are liable, your allowed to kill you self in your own home - but killing someone else is manslaughter


I agree that the cpc should be sleeved (best practice etc). However your reply is well OTT and seems to be a scene from some badly acted soap opera.



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It may be a tad ott, at the end of the day its a rented property - its a business, it generates a income/profit - the landlord has a responsibility for the safety of the tenant(s)


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FFS It's a light switch that is incorrectly wired. The light stays on when it's not supposed to.

THAT is not dangerous electrics.


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"THAT is not dangerous electrics."

Granted, but it is an indication that perhaps a check is required if old existing work( and possibly upgraded), or if new work and the earth has not been sleeved then it may be reasonable to assume that that there may be more instances of work to the same standard in the property. Either way it might be wise to have it checked out.

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Timllfixit wrote:
"THAT is not dangerous electrics."

Granted, but it is an indication that perhaps a check is required if old existing work( and possibly upgraded), or if new work and the earth has not been sleeved then it may be reasonable to assume that that there may be more instances of work to the same standard in the property. Either way it might be wise to have it checked out.

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Looking at it, it's a complete mess - wired incorrectly when it was first put in - and needs to be redone properly - with the right cables for wiring two-way switches. You're not going to sort it by swapping things around, unfortunately. It's time to call an electrician in, especially of you're looking to rent the place out



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it does make sense if the red was flagged to Id it

Com In - L1 And L2 connect to L1 And L2 on the upstairs switch - Com Out

Com In - Is cross feeding in to the second switch downstairs - usually Ground floor hall lights or porch light


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