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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:04 pm 
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Hi folks
In the corner of my 1930's cottage flat kitchen there is what I though was a column
However when I removed the cupboard around it a brick fell away from it and I noticed that the column has a void inside it - like a chimney

When looking in the loft it does continue up into the chimney breast from the adjacent living room

Does anyone know what this column/flue/chimney thing is? I don't know if there was previously a tank or something in the original cupboard as there was a concrete slab a couple of feet off the floor and a horizontal metal post about 4ft of the floor

Just curious as to what this was

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Sorry!
Here is the photo!
Anyone got any ideas?it's definitely a chimney or flue as I found a bird's nest in it !
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I think it was a boiler flue. it could have been an old coal fired boiler with a cast iron flue or an old style conventional gas boiler with a lined flue up a chimney. It was quite common in older properties to have this type of boiler before balanced flue boilers came along in the 60's. This tended to move boiler positions to an external wall for the new short air in/exhaust out flues that were room sealed. I take it your boiler is elsewhere now?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:23 am 
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Thanks David. That would make sense, I just didn't know they had boilers in kitchens. The flue isn't lined at all, it's just brick

Would the boiler have perhaps sat on that concrete pad do you think?

Yes my combi is in the bedroom


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Yes, it was common to have a pad on floorboards supporting the boiler making an incombustible bridge. Obviously heat from the boiler could set fire to floorboards so there was always some base and this served as a load spreader partly as well as the old cast iron boilers weighed a ton.

The chimney may have had a Kopex liner that could have been ripped out when the old boiler was decommissioned. AS Kopex was expensive back then it probably got sold on, unofficially, for a few quid.

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Thanks dwd, that's interesting and v helpful


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Hi dwd

Was wondering if you could look at the attached photo please ?

The red section would be the section of brickwork that would be unsupported if I was to remove the flue in the kitchen, so I'd want to take this away as well.
However there is a concrete lintel sitting on brickwork next to the flue and I'm worried that by removing the red section I'd compromise the integrity of the stack.
I'm maybe just being paranoid.
But do you think this is something to get an engineer to look at?
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Looking at it the loading of the stack it is spread to the side of the area with the lintel. But the stack is also keyed into the wall so the load is shared. Having said that, I understand your concern. I think a good way around this is to get in touch with your Council Building Control and pretend that you are not sure if it is notifiable. The BC officer will probably pop in and give you his opinion and guide you. Better safe than sorry, it is hard to tell from pictures. :thumbright:

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Thanks dwd, that's a good idea I'll email them.

Something else I was curious about which you will maybe know the answer to:

The coal/ gas boiler that was likely in the kitchen cupboard - would there not have been a hole in the brick flue where the flue form the boiler entered into it?
I scraped of all the plaster from the flue and expected to see a patched up circular hole - but nothing. Though that was strange.


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I cannot think of why but because the flue way was there does not mean it was used. The builder may have included it during the original construction but there may have been an alternative method of heating water used such as a fireplace back boiler or an Ascot multipoint. Few houses had central heating until the mid 60's so it s difficult to figure out what was used over a period of time. :thumbright:

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Thanks dwd
See while I've got you:-)
At the other end of my flat there is a chimney stack with 10 chimney pots on it
The chimney does (and only ever could have) served the 3 bedrooms at that and of the flat. So combined with the neighbour downstairs I'd expect to see 6 pots. Any ideas what the other 4 might be for?
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