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 Post subject: Fridge lamp query.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:34 pm 
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I know problems with White goods are normally directed towards the UK Whitegoods forum but this is more generic.

I have a old (Quest) glass fronted drinks cabinet. The sort you see in pubs and bars, but this one sits nicely under a kitchen counter top.

The lamp, a 2 pin G23, for the unit stopped working, and a replacement made no difference.
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I pulled the unit out and found that the Ballast had effectively destroyed itself. A May and Christe D7811 rated 7, 9, 11watts. I've tried my local appliance repair shop [for a replacement/equivalent unit] and it's a case of, "I'll ask next time I go to my Wholesaler."

I have now discovered that there are available LED lamps for the G23 socket.

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bonlux-Fluores ... +led+bulbs

This lamp has its own driver and, as a replacement, just needs any Ballast removed/by-passed.

Is it that simple, or have I missed something?


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Yes, The led replacement are 240v and you just remove the ballast, Is the lamp in a enclosure to make it IP rated ?



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Bob225 wrote:
Is the lamp in a enclosure to make it IP rated ?


Not an enclosure as such, just a recess with a cover - and this is where I am starting to have problems finding a lamp that will fit. That one linked to Amazon is 60x60mm, and is too large. I need one to a BLS dimension pattern, and certainly no longer than 150mm. ::b


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Searching fleabay quickly for "G23 LED", the first one that comes up (for me, anyway) is a Corn ("on the cob", though these aren't, really) bulb available in various sizes. No dimensions given though, may have to dig a bit deeper.

The size relates to the number of leds and therefore the brightness, you probably don't actually need that much light in a cabinet that is already in a bright kitchen?

It looks like these are single faced so check the orientation? I've been using corn bulbs in B22 & ES27, leds all round, in table lamps and find them quite good. Less bulky than GLS shaped bulbs.


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What wattage is the florescent ? is it a PL or quad


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Bob225 wrote:
What wattage is the florescent ? is it a PL or quad


It's a 2 pin. 7watt. The packaging on the replacement lamp I purchased reads: Compact Fluorescent BLS.

Thanks. I looked at those Corn lights but, at 35 x 35mm, they just will not fit.

I then found some 4watt on Ebay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pack-of-2-G2 ... 3015025458

In fact 2 UK based sellers offering the the exact same lamps which are some SE Asia import. However, when I 'drilled down' into the dimensions, nothing became clear as they had simply 'cut & pasted' from a SE Asia site without actually reading the content. Additionally, these show a "Suggestion[sic] maximum durable working time:10 hours per day". The sellers couldn't even be bothered to correct an obvious grammatical error. :B

Obviously, I want 24/7/365 durability.


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I'm now beginning to think it may be easier buy a small Batten light from B&Q,

https://www.diy.com/departments/fluores ... 296_BQ.prd

for £14, remove the Ballast, and scrap the light unit. :thumbleft:

In fact, I'm sure I used to have the carcass to one of those mains mini fluorescent strip lights lying around somewhere. I'll have to have a 'rummage' and see if I kept the Ballast from it. :wink:


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I think what you after is a 827 or 830 G23 PL-S - but I haven't found anything but the cheaper no name makes

or you could swap out the G23 fitting for a SES one

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https://www.assets.lighting.philips.com ... -pss-en_gb



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Bob225 wrote:
I think what you after is a 827 or 830 G23 PL-S - but I haven't found anything but the cheaper no name makes

or you could swap out the G23 fitting for a SES one

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https://www.assets.lighting.philips.com ... -pss-en_gb


Thanks for that link. The D and D1 dimensions work but the A3, at 166mm, is a little too long. I'm limited to +/- circa 150mm for the A3. Although, with the G23 socket being a bit 'wobbly', perhaps it may work? Aesthetics are not a great concern. :wink:

As for swapping the fitting. That would mean drilling through pop rivets to remove the top cover and delve down into the 'lagging'.

Pop rivets are not a problem. I use them all the time at 'work'. It's just that the OH would go 'ape' at all the bits/drillings strewn about the kitchen. :cb


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The 827 is the shorter lamp but Philips don't do a led one in that size sadly - I will have another look

You can get base adapters and then use a ES bulb

eg. G23 to E27

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G23-To-ES-E2 ... :rk:1:pf:0



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Bob225 wrote:

You can get base adapters and then use a ES bulb

eg. G23 to E27

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G23-To-ES-E2 ... :rk:1:pf:0


Brilliant! Thanks. I'd never have thought to look for that. However, it would still need an LED as a filament bulb would generate heat which, in a fridge............... :roll: I'll search what is available. In fact, we bought some small 'ball type' LEDs from one of the Discount shops a few days ago, but they were bayonet fittings.

The other option that I was beginning to favour was a Ballast from RS components.

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/lighting ... s/6692964/

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RS Components. I should have thought of them earlier. DOH!

It even has dimensions that approximate to the original unit. Being an Electronic Ballast, as opposed to the old Magnetic Ballast, fitting would involve some re-wiring, but that wouldn't be a problem.


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