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 Post subject: Re: Foxes!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:55 am 
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OK, I was wrong.
It is legal to use a shot gun as follows...

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For ranges up to 30 metres a 12 bore shotgun with a load of not less
than 36 grams of large shot such as no. 1 or no. 3 is recommended
as an effective alternative to a centrefire rifle for fox control.


Otherwise you can trap them or snare them or shoot them with a firearm as follows...


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When shooting foxes suitable rifles, shotguns and ammunition should be used and only at ranges that ensure rapid despatch.

Principal quarry for air rifles
BIRDS: (covered by the general licences - for details visit http://www.basc.org.uk/en/shooting/general-licences.cfm) crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, woodpigeon, collared doves, feral pigeons.
MAMMALS: brown rats, grey squirrels, stoats, mink and rabbits

Live quarry shooting
Many people shoot live quarry, either on their own land or where they have permission. The species which you can shoot are limited by the law and by the effective power of an air rifle.
All birds are protected, and although there are seasons when you can legally shoot game, and some wildfowl, they are not suitable quarry for air rifles. However, as long as you are complying with firearms law, you can shoot certain pest bird species. These are covered by general licences which, in simple terms, mean you can shoot the birds listed, provided you have the landowner’s permission and provided you are doing it for one of the reasons allowed by the licence.
These reasons include:
to protect crops
to protect game and wildlife
to protect public health or safety
BASC recommends that anyone wishing to take bird pest species should read BASC’s advice on general licences, which is available on its website http://www.basc.org.uk
You can shoot mammal pests at any time provided you have the landowner’s permission. Air rifles are suitable for: brown rats, grey squirrels, stoats, mink and rabbits.

Many game managers traditionally prefer to use a centrefire rifle for fox control. The .22-250 is widely regarded as the ideal cartridge. The use of other small calibre centrefire cartridges for fox control e.g. .22 Hornet, .222Rem, .223 or .243Win offer effective alternatives to this.
For ranges up to 30 metres a 12 bore shotgun with a load of not less than 36 grams of large shot such as no. 1 or no. 3 is recommended as an effective alternative to a centrefire rifle for fox control
Air rifles should never be used for shooting at foxes.


a) Rabbits and other small quarry. The .22 Rimfire (R/F) is almost universally
used for rabbit shooting. It is powerful enough to ensure a humane kill without
damaging the carcase so as to make it unattractive in the market. It is not sufficiently
powerful for the humane shooting of foxes
unless the range is very short - 50 yards or
less - and circumstances allow the bullet to be placed with great precision.

There is also a .22 R/F cartridge which produces twice the energy of the standard Long
Rifle round. This is the .22WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire). Despite the similar
name, the two cartridges are not interchangeable. In an accurate rifle this cartridge is
useful where rabbits must be shot at ranges of 100 yards or more and it is also
sufficiently powerful to be a humane choice for fox control as long as shots are not
taken beyond about 100 yards.


Above are details of what you should generally use and not use to shoot foxes in England, as I already said.
In addition, as I already said local police forces have differing rules and stipulate minimum calibre and rifle power to be used for shooting foxes in their area.
To quantify the difference we are talking about the .22 WMR rimfire mentioned above as acceptable to shoot foxes with at close range. The .22 WMR typically produces around 320 foot pounds energy. An air rifle held without a firarms certificate has a MAXIMUM of 12 foot pounds energy. Higher powered Air rifles held with a fire arms certificate typically have up to 30 foot pounds energy.
The .22-250 suggested as ideal for fox control has 1,600 foot pounds energy.

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 Post subject: Re: Foxes!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:44 pm 
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If you 'own' an air rifle or have one stashed away in your house or perhaps in the attic you would do well to familiarise yourselves with the law which has changed a LOT regarding air rifles in the last 10 years or 20 years. For example if someone reports someone 'shooting' in a field or even their own back garden more often than not it is armed response that turns up and points a gun at YOU, not the local bobbie. OK, thats not a change in the law exactly but...
Are you for example aware that as of last year you have to 'take reasonable measures' to prevent access to air rifles by minors (people under 18 years of age) (whereas 20 years or so ago persons aged 14 years could buy air guns and pellets which were often sold at pet shops and even in home shopping catalogues. Has to be a licenced firearms dealer now) Whilst an air gun does not have to be kept in a gun cabinet a 'reasonable measure would be to keep it in a locked cupboard with a trigger lock fitted if you have children under 18 or they EVER visit your home (with friends or reletives for example).
If you are shooting in your back garden and a pellet leaves the boundary of your property (becuase it ricocheyed or because you shot at say a pidgeon in a tree or on your house roof and missed or it passed straight through it) you have committed an offense punishable by (If I remember correctly) up to 4 years in jail and a fine of several thousand pounds and confiscation of the air rifle and a ban of at least 5 years from owning one.
The law regards offenses comitted with air guns the same as fire arms offenses. These are absoulute offenses rediculus as that is (there is no I was only slightly breaking the law - 1 foot over the boundary of the property I have permission to shoot on or only 0.1 ft/lb over the power limit as with for example speeding. An offense comitted with an air gun is treated in exactly the same way as an offense comitted with any firearm. Posession of an air rifle with 12.1 ft/lb power (without a fire arms licence listing said weapon) is exactly the same offense as posession of an AK47 the fines and jail terms are exactly the same!
Most responsible air gun owners now own a chronograph (for measuring the speed of a pellet as it leaves the barrel) so that they can be reasonably confident that their gun is shooting below 12 ft/lb and they are within the law.
The list of changes goes on. If you own one you would do well spending an hour doing some research as to what the current laws are.

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 Post subject: Re: Foxes!
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Our current 'laws' (legislation) are only designed to generate income for the government. It's f-all to do with 'control' or keeping order. I could almost guarantee anyone breaking an airgun 'law' will be stiffed for cash rather than any hokey time.

Fcuking government make money from everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Foxes!
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I agree with DWD Foxes are vermin, like rats, rabbits etc and as long as you have the usual permission - the authority to shoot on the landowners land then you can shoot them all day long. I'm pretty sure its some lurvies in the city who have dreamed up that law thinking foxes are cute and cuddly things - BOOM their gone!


I used to go rabbit shooting with a friend. One day we shot loads of rabbits and I assumed that we would take them home for eating and/or freezing as usual but the landowner asked us to leave the bodies about the hedgerow so the foxes would have something to eat. I must have looked confused because he went on to explain that they wanted the foxes to eat well so they would be healthy and breed well so the hunt would have something to chase when the season came back in. I gave up shooting shortly after because I considered the landowner to be a tosser.


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Slightly off topic but last week my friend and I were chopping down a few trees in the garden and a local walker popped to mine to tell me he had spotted three chickens that had been dumped at the side of the road and since mine had been eaten by foxes they would be good replacements.

When we got there it turns out they were cockerals. I said to my mate "fancy a BBQ tonight" and off we were trying to catch the damn things - if someone had filmed us we would have had more than £250 that Harry Hill pays out for You've Been Framed - at one point I couldn't walk because I was laughing so much!

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